#2498 - Brendan Schaub

[00:00] Hey, what's up brother? What's up people, man? Good to see you. What's going on? [00:16] This is a good time for you to come in, man. [00:18] Right after this weekend. Holy shit. Pretty good timing, brother. Bro, I mean, everybody's talking about... [00:22] The Sean Strickland-Hamza fight. [00:24] and the debate, but [00:26] Before we even talk about that, bro, how fucking good is Joshua Vann? And he's only been fighting about five years. That's what's scary. Crazy. Five years. Crazy. And he has some holes, for sure, that certain guys are going to expose. But five, think how, he's not the best on the ground. He's also 24. He's 24. Yeah. Crazy athlete. But his fucking boxing. Yeah. [00:52] It might be the best in the UFC. It's up there. It's up. Him or Ilya. Yeah. Well, Ilya. The thing about Ilya is Ilya is one punch, night-night. [01:01] That's the difference. It's tough at Flyweight to be a knockout artist. But then also Josh. Nibir Davison, Figueredo. True. He was starching people. He was. But with Josh, too, again, he's 24. But in Tutsi or Tyra, he also just was blocking punches with his face. Well. That's the other thing. Like, his defense was so bad. I think it was that Joshua Vann's offense was so good. You know what? I think it's a combo of both. Yeah, it's a combo of both. Yeah, yeah. For sure. Because Tyra is primarily a grappler.

[01:31] And he's obviously a mixed martial arts fighter. And he did strike. I mean, that's why he didn't completely get blown out of the water. He did strike pretty well. It's just the counters came so clean, so sharp. Like, I rewatched some of it today, and I was like, good Lord, that's pretty. So good. He looks so good. And again, 24. 24. And, you know, it took all the stink off of the way he won the title. Yeah, but not me. [02:01] But there's a lot of questions that haven't been answered. Oh, for sure. I guess Pantoja's a motherfucker. Pantoja is a straight assassin. Okay. How would he do against Pantoja? Hey, man. But again, his stock went up after this fight. I'll tell you that. Look, it was always up, right? But Tyra was a real threat. Tyra got him on the ground, wasn't able to submit him. Joshua Vange pieced him up on the feet, man. Yeah. [02:26] But again, at 24, so let's say they do the Pantoja rematch, whatever, Q4, and let's say Pantoja gets that win. [02:34] All good. [02:35] He's 24. Right. He's going to be your champ for a very long time. And how old is Alessandre Pantoja at this point? Not young. In flyweight years, he's 67. Yeah, flyweight's tough. 36. 36. Yeah, that's tough. Yeah. That's tough. If he was a middleweight, you'd be like, hmm, that's the beginning of the slide. Right? That's the beginning of the slide. Yeah. For welterweight, you're like, ooh. Yeah. Yeah. [02:59] But at flyweight. Oh, bro. It's crazy. Yeah. Heavyweight is like, oh, he's in his prime. Oh, we're cooking at heavyweight. Look at Francis. Yeah. Francis is like 38 or something. Yeah. Yeah. 38. Yeah. Francis is in his fucking prime. Flyweight. Nobody looks at Francis and goes, ah, he's over the hill. Oh, never.

[03:14] Not at all. No. There's some old cats at the heavyweight doing the damn thing, especially now. The heavyweight divisions. How old is Volkov? [03:21] 59. [03:24] Honestly, I don't think he's as old as you think he is. Back in the day. Right. Right. [03:28] He was a Bellator champion, M1 champion. He was a Bellator champion in the early days of Bellator. Yeah, and remember he had, in Bellator, and when he first got the UFC, he had that Moana tattoo on his back. He had the stingray. And he changed it into that Japanese mask. Yeah, I like this. The new one looks dope. The new one looks dope. It's so dope. I like to think I'm the one that kind of bullied him into doing that, because it's all I ever talked about for like six years when he fought. And he comes out with just this dope-ass samurai tattoo. [03:58] Well, sometimes you realize, like, this ain't making it. I got to... [04:01] fix this. Yeah, especially that. People are like, bro, why do you have a fucking stingray on your back? Bro, speaking of tattoos, how many tattoos does Sean Brady have? That motherfucker's feet are tattooed. Bro. Like, his entire body's tattooed. How good did he look? Phenomenal. This thing might, you know. Phenomenal. I always get stressed out because everyone's asking for betting picks before the fights, and I, MMA's tough, dude. MMA's tough to fucking pick. Yeah. So, uh, with the Joaquin Buckley fight, the reason I told my brother, I'm like, literally, put your mortgage on Sean Brady. [04:31] Because Joaquin Buckley did an interview like a week before. He was like, I'm not even working on grappling. [04:36] I'm not wrestling or grappling. I'm just going to keep this thing standing and knock this motherfucker out. I was like, oh, buddy. No way. He really said that? Yeah, you can find it out there, Jim. But that could have been just a bullshit tactic to try to get Sean Brady. Because Sean Brady probably saw that interview, too.

[04:50] Yeah, and was like, cool, say less. And just... I know, but I mean... Ten, seven rounds? Three of them? I know. It was nuts. But I mean, you could say that... I hear you. If you were just playing mental games. I get you. But maybe he actually did that. And it appeared so. Well, hard to say, because that's how good Sean Brady is. Hard to say. It's just tough when you lose like that. Because you go back to the locker room, you're like... [05:17] Fuck. We're not even in the same ballpark. No. Like I'm... [05:22] What am I going to do? You look at your coach's staff and you go, what are we going to do? I thought I was a top five guy. I just got beat 10-6, three rounds in a row. Okay, I was going to bring this up. So I have some insight to this. So there was a very strange betting behavior. It says it turns out to be meaningless. BetOnline cited abnormal betting patterns as Buckley moved from plus 150 underdog to minus 220 favorite before the fight. So this is what happened. [05:52] before the fight and the UFC, obviously, because they've been through this shit with the guys fixing fights and the FBI investigated it, they got concerned. And so I believe what happened is they minimized the amount that you could bet online. So you couldn't bet big money anymore. I don't know what the let's find out what the cap they put on it was. But then. [06:15] You, um... [06:17] And they were going to go ahead with the fight, but they wanted to make sure that Sean Brady wasn't injured. So this was the fear. The fear was that some inside camp word got out. Sean Brady's got an injury. And then all the money jumps up. Because a lot of times that's what happened. But they did it right because before they would just cancel the fight. Like, we don't know what's going on. We can cancel the fight. No, just take the fight off the betting sites. Well, they only did that one time. They did that one time with the Alexander Hernandez. I don't remember who he's fighting. Yeah.

[06:44] I don't remember who Alexander Hernandez was fighting, but they did that with that fight. [06:49] And I thought that was really crazy. Crazy. They asked Alexander, like, are you okay? He's like, I'm fine. Like, I am planning on winning this fight. But for some reason, he became an underdog. Like, nothing came out from it either. No. Like, I wish they'd be a little more transparent. Like, hey, we looked into it. It's our bat, this, you know. But they just canceled the fight. And so everyone – now we just assume – [07:10] Something happened. Something happened. Somebody's being dirty. Yeah, but then Hernandez fought again and lost his next fight. [07:17] Fuck who did he fight? [07:19] He fought someone on a fight night. [07:20] It was a very good fight. [07:22] Very close fight. The dude was very good. But I'm glad they're not just pulling the fight. [07:27] Oh, Michael Johnson. It was supposed to be Michael Johnson. But they didn't have that fight. And then who did he fight next instead? So let's just go over this real quick before we figure out who he fought amid suspicious betting movement. So what is suspicious betting movement? Like what if you and your boys all go, fuck it, I'm going all in, and you just decide to bet $100,000 on Buckley? Will that change it that dramatically? I think we're talking about millions. [07:57] I think they have certain accounts that they knew about. [08:01] Oh, were shady? Not shady, but I mean, there might be particular whales or whatever that are certain bettors that always were betting $200,000 a fight or whatever, and maybe one or two of them changed. Gross. Two of the judges scored that fight 30-25. Abnormal betting patterns from highly monitored accounts.

[08:20] Interesting. Highly monitored accounts is interesting. [08:24] Bro, you better get a new account. [08:27] Figure it out. They're on to you, bitch. But they also said that they called Sean Brady to hear at the bottom I was going to point out. Someone called him to let him know, and he's like, well, I'm fine. I love it. He goes, I'm going to beat the shit out of this guy. What are you talking about? Yeah, you're good to go. I think that's what Alexander Hernandez said, too. [08:42] That's a bummer. Yeah, it is a bummer because that's a good fight. You can also understand from the UFC's standpoint, because when it happened, especially then, they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. [08:51] Oh, yeah. No, they're in a bad spot right now with that because until that gets resolved, the – look, the fight game has always been connected to fucking shady people. Always. That's the Marlon Brando movie on the waterfront. I could have been a contender. Yep. You know? Yeah. I mean it's – That's who he lost to. [09:11] Oh, that's right. Hoppe Garcia. Very good fight. [09:14] Very good fight. Hoffa did a phenomenal job. [09:17] This episode of the Joe Rogan Experience is brought to you by Paramount+. UFC history is going down at the White House. It's the world's greatest fights on America's biggest stage. Watch UFC Freedom 250 at the White House live today only on Paramount+. [09:37] Fight night is here. Title shots, debut killers, and the rising contender nobody's talking about yet. And only DraftKings has you covered every step of the way. The DraftKings app is now available in all 50 states and includes all markets, bringing the game straight to your fingertips wherever you are. No matter where you're watching, you're always connected and in the game with one app.

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[11:44] Plus, get free shipping. Just go to thefarmersdog.com slash rogan. This offer is for new customers only. [11:52] But I think, too, back to the betting, I think that's also a reason why now more than ever fighters are getting so much hate. [11:59] Because if you have a 9 to 5 and you make $1,000 a week and you put $500 on, say, Hamzat and he loses that $500, that's why it's so toxic now. [12:10] Because, yeah, your guy's losing, but now it's costing you money. So I think that's why fighters are getting so much more hate these days than they did, even when I was fighting. Betting wasn't a big thing. No, I think you're absolutely right. I think it's Rafa Garcia. Is it Rafa or Hoffa? Why am I saying it wrong? [12:23] I feel like it's Rafa. I think so, too. I think I went Brazilian on me. I get it. Yeah, you made a real good point about the betting because that's why people are getting so upset because they are betting money on it. [12:34] It's a big problem with some people. With some people, the ability to just bet on anything, anytime you want. And now it's like... [12:42] Polymarket and all these different things you could bet on [12:45] You know, fucking anything, anything, anything. How about that fucking soldier that got busted? Tight move. He bet that Maduro was going to get kidnapped, dude. If you don't. But my thing is, it's like the Pete Rose thing. At least Pete Rose is betting on his team to win. Right. This dude was betting on his fucking team to win. Right. Don't discipline him. If you don't think Trump's giving him a part in your goddamn mind. Well, that guy's awesome. That's a weird one. [13:12] That's a weird one. But, I mean, why is that bad? But the insider trading in Congress goes unchecked. Oh, my God. Like that. Bro. That's crazy. Like if you get mad at that people, what a hypocrite. You're also dealing with this special forces guy who – it's not like they're compensated that great. And he was like, oh, I'm going to bet the house that we fucking get this idiot. Right. And by the way, he's betting on himself because –

[13:37] It didn't have to happen. That's what I'm saying. It didn't have to work. It could have all got killed. It's like Pete Rose, too. It's like keeping him in the Hall of Fame. I think they're going to let him in now that he died. Oh, great. [13:45] Yeah, cool. That helps. Thank you. But it's also like he never bet against his team. It's pretty gangster. I don't know if that's true. I'm pretty sure. I don't know. Jamie, look that shit up. I read something online. Really? He might have bet against his team at least at one point. [14:01] On one game. I don't know if that's true, though. I'm rooting for Pete Rose. But I just read something. I mean, there might have been a Pete Rose hater. That's what I thought. That's what I heard. If he only betted for his team, I feel like that should be legal. That's what I'm saying. That's like the Special Forces guy. What, you're trying to win harder? You're trying to win harder because you want money? Yeah. That would be good. The Special Forces guy, like, dude, you're really into this. Yeah. He's like, fuck yeah, dude. I got a million bucks right on this. No confirmed evidence has ever been produced that Pete Rose bet against his own team. [14:28] There you go. The Cincinnati Reds, though there's some speculation... [14:31] All official speculation. I must have read speculation. [14:37] Um... [14:39] I mean, what the – say he personally believes Pete Rose probably bet against the Reds at some point, John Dowd said. But even he has acknowledged that his investigation did not produce conclusive proof of such bets. So I feel like you should be able to bet on yourself as a fighter. I feel like you should be able to bet on yourself as a baseball player. Why not? [15:00] You're just betting to win. Now, betting to lose, different story. [15:05] So if you're just saying –

[15:07] Is that because you can't tell them how to bet? [15:10] Like, if you're going to let them bet, they have to be able to bet on whatever they want. Like, man, I don't know if I'm going to win this fight. Man, I'm not feeling good. I'm going to try. I'm going to try, but I think I might lose. So let me just see if I can make a little extra money just in case I lose. So I try my hardest. I lost, but. Still made some money. Made some money. Yeah, that's good. It just opens up a can of worms you don't want to deal with. Well, the problem is. Nobody's betting. Right, because then what if you won? You're like, I won. Yeah, but I lost money because I fucking bet against myself like an idiot. Yeah. Right? You made no money this fight. [15:40] You didn't have to be a fucking psycho to try to win, knowing it's going to cost you money. Your whole camp, paying your fucking trainers, your manager, everything. Fucking nightmare. What's like the Hamzat Strickland fight? You and I, right when that fight got announced, we texted each other and I went, good fight. [15:59] Good fight. I know everyone's going to, you know, Hamza's a big favorite, but we both went, I don't know, man. I can see it. I was nut riding for Strickland the whole time. I was like, that guy is the fucking captain of the deep water. [16:11] He knows how to go into deep water, man, and he knows how to survive. He can survive. And the thing about Hamzat is if he takes you down, he wants to hold you down and just beat on you and not expand a lot of energy like he did with Drekus. That's an issue. You can't do that with Sean. Sean is not going to sit still. He's very hard to hold down. He's got super underrated grappling, super underrated. [16:33] You know, we saw he almost threw Hamzat, like, later in the fight.

[16:37] And he did wind up on top multiple times. He ain't easy for anybody. Far from it. And he had a blown out shoulder. Boom. That's the other thing. Everyone's like, well, Hamzat was compromised because the weight cut. It's like, well, hold on. Sean had one arm. Sean had one fucking arm. And when he did throw that right hand in that second round, he wobbled Hamzat. No one wants to talk about that. The most significant punch was in the second round. Yeah. He flash knocks out Hamzat. And Hamzat's like, oh, shit. And he probably fucking jolted his shoulder with pain. And still defended him. [17:07] I noticed he was doing this at the beginning of the fight. Before the fight started, he was doing this with his arm. So he's warming up. He's doing this. He keeps doing this. But he kept doing this with his right arm. I'm like, ooh, that's what I do if my shoulders hurt to see how hurt it is. Yep. How does it feel? Feel the range. Yeah. How does it feel? And he was only going to here. [17:25] He was only going to here. He kept doing it. [17:27] deadpan killer look on his face. That motherfucker still won. Yeah. Still won. Here's my thing about it. Still fought. A lot of guys would have pulled out. [17:34] A lot of guys would have said, I can't use my arm. I'm pulling out. Especially for that magnitude of a fight. I think with Strickland, too, now that he won, people are like, oh, is he a Hall of Famer? 1,000%. 100%. 100% he's a Hall of Famer. My thing with Strickland, too, it's like he's going to be a bigger star now more than ever. I think that fight is the one that put him even bigger. The thing about Strickland is he's the guy that's not supposed to be here.

[18:04] countries are from, and they're like, this is the only way they made it out. Dude, Strickland grew up a poor... [18:10] white kid in America. [18:12] disenfranchised, the dude had an abusive father, the odds are so against Strickland. [18:18] So against Strickland. And this motherfucker beat... [18:22] arguably the best striker in the mid-weight division of all time. [18:24] when Izzy Adesanya beat him at striking. [18:27] at fucking striking in Australia, and then they give him, arguably, the best grappler of all time in the middleweight division, and he beats him. So he... [18:36] All of you listening, all you guys are closer to Sean Strickland than you are to LeBron James or Patrick Mahomes. He's just a tough white kid who trains his ass off. He's a blue-collar guy. He doesn't run a 40 and a 4-4. [18:50] He doesn't have a 40-inch vertical. He's got one bad leg from a motorcycle accident. It almost ruined his whole career. Dude, I get chills talking about it. Dude, he's that blue-collar guy through hard fucking work, is a Hall of Famer, bona fide Hall of Famer, and beat two of the greatest middleweights of all time. In all his sights, he's an underdog, fluffy underdog. [19:13] DDP, underdog. Granted, he lost, but I thought he won that first fight. Hamza, massive underdog. Izzy, massive underdog. Second fight with DDP, he fucked his shoulder up, too. [19:22] Driving a dirt bike like a fucking psychopath. Crazy. Crashed his dirt bike, fucked his shoulder up, and they told him you had a fight. [19:29] So you had to take the fight. [19:30] So you had to take the fight with a fucked up shoulder. And one of the things you notice about when he's throwing right hands, in particular in this fight, I noticed there were...

[19:39] Awkward sometimes. Sometimes they just looked weird like he was trying not to use his shoulder or something. He was compromised. Yes, 100 percent. And I saw some of that in the second Strickland, the second DDP fight, you know, where it looked like he was kind of throwing his punches weird. [19:56] You know, which sometimes he does anyway because he goes around the guard. It's awkward. It's strategic. Yeah. He's throwing shit that you're not going to block correctly, and then he's going to land you clean shots. But when you see him when there's nothing wrong with him. [20:08] Like, he had this giant break... [20:10] Because he punched somebody in some fucking low-level promotion. Oh, that's right. Got in the cage and punched somebody. [20:18] So they gave him – he's a wild boy. So they gave him like eight-month suspension, something like that, six-month suspension, whatever it was. So you see him against Hernandez when he's perfect, and he looks fucking phenomenal. That's what I've ever seen. His striking looked phenomenal. Everything looked phenomenal. [20:40] who beat Izzy. He looked better. [20:42] Best we've ever seen. And then he beats Hamza with one shoulder. This episode is brought to you by Ketone IQ. I don't care who you are. Performance is mental. I talk for a living, so I'm always looking for a way to stay sharp. Ketone IQ is one of the few things that actually feels like a game changer. It came out of a $6 million U.S. military research program on human performance. It's a small shot of ketones fuel your body makes when fasting or training, and your brain loves it.

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[23:06] wrestling in particular because he's such an elite wrestler. And there was a lot of wrestling moments in that. So that's what you're doing. So you're not really judging the fight. If you're judging, you'd be silent. Like Eddie Bravo used to judge fights unofficially for the UFC in the early days. And what Eddie would do was he would write – he would have a piece of paper and draw a line down the middle for each guy. And then he would have categories. Strikes, kicks landed, punches landed, takedowns, submission attempts. He would mark all these different things. [23:36] mark it down. And then he would also go by who landed the most damage. And he was really good at it. Like, he was very accurate in terms of, like, I never disagreed with him. I was like, that makes sense. But if your intention is to score the fight, like, you don't have to be entertaining and do the commentating, I can do that. It's like, I do commentate for a game bread, and there's a fight, fight of the night. [23:55] And Jimmy Smith is going, who do you think won? And I said, dude, this isn't the time to ask because I was entertained by the fight. We're doing our thing. Right, right, right. I go home and watch. I'll let you know exactly who won. Right. It's such a close fight. I don't know, dude. Especially wars. Especially a crazy war. It's so hard to figure out who won. Some wars, like, let's, you know, think of, like, what if Tyra and Joshua Van had made it to the end? That's a tough one. That's a tough one. [24:25] Definitely did more damage, 100%. Which is the number one thing they are supposed to judge it on. So I would judge that in favor. Because we had a conversation about the Gomes fight. Who was Gomes fighting?

[24:39] Um... [24:40] Thank you. [24:42] uh pat sabatini so pat sabatini was fighting gomez and all pat sabatini did was clinch him and try to take him down took him down a couple times but when they were standing up gomez pat landed a few strikes definitely it wasn't like he was completely outclassed on the feet but gomez landed more so i'm like okay i know pat spent the majority of the fight in control the majority of the fight clinching the majority of the fight working towards the takedown but it was unsuccessful [25:12] the ground, never got close to being submitted. And then when they stood up, Gomes was the one who was going after him, landing strikes. I don't know if it was enough to win, though, because it's like there wasn't a lot of damage. It wasn't like he hit Pat and Pat got rocked and Pat went down and there was none of that. But Gomes was doing better in the standup, which when it comes to damage, that was the only damage of the fight. But the other thing you got to take into consideration is like, I love DC. It's one of my favorites. But... [25:39] DC has an extensive wrestling background. So he's usually going to... [25:44] Not that he means to, but because he has such an extensive wrestling background, if you listen to Kamaru Usman, Henry Cejudo, most of them will score that fight for Hamzat because of the wrestling involved. But if you talk to someone else who doesn't have a wrestling background or it's more of a striking background, most of them score it for Strickland. So you always got to – I take it with a little bit of a grain of salt. When those guys – heavy wrestlers, if there's wrestling but they weren't successful, like takedowns were successful, they're like, that's a takedown. But he didn't do shit with it though, man.

[26:14] There's a lot of people that he rubs the wrong way. Boom. And they don't want him to win because of the wild shit that he says offstage. [26:23] Listen, sometimes he goes too far. He said he went too far. He apologized for going too far. But God damn, did he sell some tickets? I like what you said. You said, don't apologize. You're selling a fight. Yeah. That's my thing, too. It's like, whoa, no, no, don't apologize. Don't apologize for any of that. [26:39] On Monday, I was so excited to get in the studio. I was so excited. I felt like for the first time in a long time, [26:46] The UFC's back. I felt back, man. You really think the UFC's gone away? No, no. No, I'm not saying that. What do you mean by that? Don't get to it. I'm saying as far as like Conor Khabib, like bad blood. Big time. Couldn't wait. Right. Like, dude, I was tech day before I'm tech, dude, I can't fucking wait. It was like I was so hyped for this fucking fight, dude. Yeah. It just felt like, you know, those Conor Day, Khabib days, those are over. [27:16] It's going to be really big because I'm always at baseball fields and football fields. And dads will come and be like, dude, do you think Strickland has a chance? I'm like, you watch Friday? [27:25] I was like, oh shit This can be huge, dude This can be fucking big, dude It was huge, and it was huge because of the way Sean sold it 100%, not just that Sean has a ton of fans, for sure [27:38] you know, [27:38] But it was the way he sold it, the chaos. People love it. [27:42] They love that, and especially casuals. They love the chaos. I love it, too.

[27:47] I love it too. He makes things fun. [27:49] Makes things fun. And then people get so mad, you know, some stuff he says, but it's like, there's a lane for that. I hate to tell you, there's a lane for that. And... [27:58] I think Strickland – you've been around Strickland. He's a good person. [28:02] He also has some crazy thoughts and stuff like that, which is fine. But remember, too, people go, UFC doesn't have stars. And then you get a kid like Strickland, who's building his name. He's going to be the most watched fight, one of the third most watched Wayans of all time. So he's trying to be a star. So you guys are complaining there's no stars. And then when he's doing the damn thing, you guys are hating on him. [28:22] So it's like – [28:23] Pick your poison. Well, they're hating by the way he's doing it, right? That he's making things super personal. [28:31] This is what Conor did. I mean, that's what Conor did with Khabib. Conor crossed the line many times with Khabib. Oh, buddy. The line's here. Conor was all the way over. And there was no apologizing after that. I mean, that was the brawl afterwards where Khabib, you know, jumped in the crowd and fucked up Dilly Dan. That was my favorite. That's my favorite picture of all time. I need it framed in my fucking suit. When Khabib's literally flying off the fucking cage about the fucking. But remember, before that fight, in the fight, Khabib was all. [28:59] professional he was all good as soon as that motherfucker ended he's like yeah now it's time to get to work yeah dude that is a crazy motherfucking world world champion just got done stopping conor mcgregor and he's leaping into the fucking crowd just like his nickname and super he's the eagle yeah the eagle his talons are fucking out for this i mean you couldn't come up with a better nickname for that dude you know how dan henderson has that flying punch that he

[29:29] and this thing was down, that's like his logo. That should be Khabib's logo. 100%. With like wings on it, like a flying eagle. Like he's a fucking animal. Dude, that was mayhem. God, I love that guy. I love him. You know, we appreciated him while he was here, but maybe not enough. But with Homslott, too... [29:47] I also think a couple of factors that went against him on Saturday night. [29:53] He's been in big fights, but he hasn't been in this big of a fight. Defending the middleweight title, you have this... [29:59] Wild boy talking so much shit. So I just, I don't think he's dealt with that kind of pressure at that level. And then also, Hamzat's always kind of had a cardio issue. Because remember, when I went to his camp, I called you. I'm like, bro, I've never seen someone so fucking, I'm talking vicious. Fucking everybody up. Destroying them. I was like, oh my God. So there's an issue with him, and I don't know what it is. [30:27] where that's not... [30:29] translating inside the octagon. Well, I can tell you right now, first of all, first part of the issue is the weight cut. [30:36] Yes and no. 100%, dude. He cut 22 kilos. Listen to me. He got 40-something pounds. They were making it so that he was going to fight Yuri Prohasko. At 205. Right. So he starts bulking up, and he's eating like a fucking animal, and he's deadlifting and doing all kinds of crazy shit. He said he was 230, I think. He was above that. Yeah. Yeah. He was somewhere north of 230. Yeah. [30:56] And so then he's 230, whatever. And so then he's got to drop down to 85, which is bananas. That's so hard to do. He never got fat. So what happens? Well, your muscle gets eaten away. Yeah. Your body...

[31:08] It deteriorates. You can't recover. And he had a bad breakdown in the middle of the weight cut. I heard his horror was here. His brother today was like, yes, we thought his body was going to shut down. Yeah. So they took an hour off weight cutting and then they went back. And he only had like 1.2 kilos to lose at that point, which is what is that? [31:27] What was that, like five pounds? [31:28] No, no, I mean two pounds. [31:30] Two and a half pounds, right? Two and a half. What is it? It's 2.2. Okay. So somewhere around. He was 230. That's a lot, though. If you're already dying, you got to lose two pounds of water. Oh, it's a nightmare. Two 16-ounce bottles of water. But when he was, let's say, 230 or maybe 235, how many weeks out was that? Do we know? I don't know. [31:48] Because when Strickland beat Fluffy, they were like, hey, forget this Yuri fight. You're fighting at 85. [31:55] It's a few months. [31:56] It's a few months, but when you have muscle and not fat, it is a problem. [32:02] It's a real problem. It's not the same problem. So if you get big like Strickland gets in between fights, like Strickland, there's a lot of videos of him training where he's got almost like a belly. He's heavy. He makes fun of himself. He's fat. That's a different fat. That's different to lose. You can lose that. You can lose that. That's not a problem to lose. When you're bulked up, your body has decided that now you're 230 pounds and you're still working out all the time. So your body's using those muscles all the time.

[32:32] eat themselves. So you have to fucking starve yourself. Or [32:37] You do a radical dehydration, which brings you to the brink of death. And it seems like that's what he did. [32:45] Probably a factor. Giant factor, dude. It's a factor for sure. There's also a factor, but it's not like in the DDP fight, in these other fights, it's not like he's going in there tenacious, finishing guys. [32:57] Well, the GDP fight was just him in control. It was just him grappling, him in control. But no attempt to finish. That's my issue with him. True. He just wanted to secure the win. I think it's here. [33:09] Well, it could be. It could be. And that also plays a factor when you're dealing with a guy like Sean who's so durable and has such great cardio and can take the fight into deep, deep waters and always does. Yeah. He always – he's always going after you in the final round. Like the final round with Izzy, when he's got his hands down, he's screaming at Izzy, come on. He looks – he gets better as the fight goes on. Yeah, and Izzy had noticeably faded by that final round. Part of that because of the beating that he took in the first. Correct. [33:39] Probably concussed in the first, you know. I mean, that fucking straight punch that he landed where he spun Izzy's head around and then hit him with how many fucking left hands in a row? Yep. [33:49] 15, 20 left hands in a row? I mean, let's count them. Let's watch that and count them because it's crazy. He just bang, bang, bang, bang. If you think you're going to go and just fight normal after that, you're concussed. You're compromised.

[34:04] Probably you have a concussion. Yes. Just by the way he went down, his head spun around. It was a right hand, right? Wasn't it a right hand? It was a right hand, yeah, and it spun around. Picture-perfect right hand. Picture-perfect straight right. [34:17] I mean, it was picture perfect. [34:19] and you don't get a cleaner, better right hand, and then blast him with all those punches in the clinch, you're gone. You're gone. [34:27] After that, you're a shell of yourself. I think my thing with Hamza, too, is after, again, you could chalk it up to the weight cut. [34:34] That second round, when he doesn't land that takedown and falls to his back, I'm like, oh, he's cooked. Dude, I think his body was shutting down, and he realized that he went real hard in the first round, but doesn't have the gas tank. He said, let me coast. I can survive on the bottom here, but I need to catch my breath if I'm going to try to finish this guy. It might have been a strategy. And he got better that third, fourth, fifth round. Right, because the strategy might have been, listen, if I'm on my back, no big deal. Like, he tries for a takedown, can't get it. [35:04] first round because his body almost shut down 24 hours ago 24 hours ago it is the dumbest fucking thing we do in the sport where we allow these people to pretend that they weigh a certain way you you pretend you you oh it's a 185 pound fight the fuck it is yeah one of those guys 100% strickland is actually a bigger guy than him strickland's a big boy strickland and that neither

[35:34] And I think part of that you could attribute to the fact that Hamzat is killing himself. Well, what did Hamzat say to Dana as soon as he jumped out of the cage? He goes, I'm done fighting here. I'm going to 205. But apparently now all he's talking about is a rematch. It's back on. Yeah. It's back on. So what he's got to do. [35:49] Love to hear it. He has got to limit his calorie intake... [35:54] And he's got to literally burn the muscle off. He can't just keep dehydrating himself like that. So you would have to talk to someone who's an expert at that. But my friend Cam Haynes, when he runs these ultra marathons, what he does is he gets himself down like 160 pounds. [36:11] And the way he does it is he just limits his fucking calories and keeps working out the exact same way. And he looks terrible when he does that. He looks so tired all the time. But it's just sheer willpower gets him down to that weight. [36:24] But that is slow running for us. [36:28] Correct. That's a different thing. We can't do that. Right. What he's doing is exploding and moving quickly. And I... [36:35] My personal opinion is you have to be... [36:38] biologically healthy to do that. [36:41] You have to be a healthy person. [36:44] You can't just be big, right? And you're not healthy if you almost died a day ago. Correct. Because that's really what's going on. And we think, oh, these guys can recover. But how much do they recover? Well, they fucking for sure don't recover 100%. Not a hundo. Not 100%. That's why I'm excited for them at 205. A lot of people are like, oh, I don't like them. If the weight is an issue...

[37:07] At 205, if he's 100% Hamza, I know he might be a little undersized, but 100% Hamza could be a lot better than 70%. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's great. Strickland ain't going to do it. He's going to say, you didn't fucking make the weight the first time. Oh, 100%. He's going to talk mad shit. It'll be fun. He's a fucking coward. I beat him with one arm. It's going to get crazy. You got to fight him at middleweight, but he's got to go to some expert in losing weight. Oh, no. I'm not saying Strickland Hamza at 205. No, no. Oh, that's what I was saying. No, no. [37:37] This episode is brought to you by SimpliSafe. One thing you probably don't think about when you're planning the perfect summer getaway is protecting your home. But if disaster strikes, you want to be prepared. Even better, if it can be stopped before it happens. So check out SimpliSafe. They're the smarter option when it comes to home security because their systems help prevent and stop crime in real time before it starts. [38:07] You can get a custom system and set it up in one afternoon by yourself or even sooner. It's one of many reasons why millions of people continue to trust and use SimpliSafe. Everyone deserves to have peace of mind, which is why I'm happy to partner with SimpliSafe again and offer an exclusive discount. Right now, you can get 50% off your new system by visiting SimpliSafe.com slash Rogan. That's half off at SimpliSafe.com slash Rogan.

[38:37] like SimpliSafe. [38:38] This episode is brought to you by Visible. How many of you are currently listening to this podcast on your phone? If you are chronically online, like most of us are these days, your wireless network should be too. With Visible, you get unlimited 5G and unlimited hotspot, all powered by Verizon's 5G network. The perks of big wireless for half the cost. Visible isn't just a wireless plan. [39:08] designed to keep you connected and no contract holding you back. Switch today at visible.com. Plan start at just $25 a month. Or get our premium Visible Plus Pro Plan and save $10 on your first month when you use promo code ROGAN, an exclusive offer for podcast listeners. [39:31] No, Hamzat, he's going to do that rematch, and then that's it. He's a 205-er. Or to your point, he has to maintain a weight that's realistic when he can still perform. But he has to figure that out. He's got to stop lifting weights. [39:46] Right. So whatever he was doing that got him up to 230 pounds or whatever, whatever he was, we're guessing. Right. That's what I'd heard that he was north of 230. Whatever he was doing, he's got to not do that. And he's got to do mad cardio. Just just cardio, like working out, like wrestling, hitting a bag, hitting pads and cardio. I'm a big proponent of do do your sport. Get your cardio from your sport.

[40:16] a little hesitant when I saw all these videos of Hamzat hitting the tire with the hammer and doing all these runs. I'm like, yeah, but I'd rather you get your cardio from actually wrestling against top level guys and fucking get after it, dude. Because what's Strickland do? Do you see Strickland doing all this heart rate monitor? No. Why is his cardio so good? Because he fucking spars like a madman all the time. So the Strickland you see in that training camp is the exact same motherfucker you see in the octagon. There's no issues. [40:46] Meanwhile, you've got these guys, you know, run their hill sprints. I'd rather you get your cardio in your actual sport. I see it at the lower level, too, with kids. I coach football, baseball. These dads are like, I don't get it, man. I'm doing the foot ladder drill with my son five days a week. Can't catch football. I'm like – [41:04] Because we're not trying to see who has the best foot ladder. [41:07] fucking who can do it the fastest we're catching footballs do you think footballs if you want to get better at football a hundred percent but do you think that some of that stuff has a purpose [41:16] Yes, but not close to the fight. Interesting. Because usually what we would do is, let's say you have an eight-week camp. Before the camp starts, we're doing a lot of that stuff. And then once we get to camp, the focus, the cardio was getting it in in your training. [41:33] You know who agrees with you? Aljamain Sterling. Aljamain talked about this. He's pretty good. [41:37] pretty fucking good how good did he look against a lol dude best back control in the game so i and i don't why is he so underrated i don't get it why he doesn't get his dude it's the loss pure it's fucking crazy it's the win the victory where he had an injury from an illegal shot people hated on him from then on out

[41:57] Think I'll get you big against Evil. I know. He's amazing. That was a fucking split decision. Some people thought he won. Yeah. [42:03] Yeah, he could have easily won that fight. That motherfucker's so good. Yeah, Aljamain's the man. Yes. But he said that Marab does the same thing. Now, who the fuck has better cardio than Marab? I would say nobody. Nobody alive. [42:15] Ever in any sport I've ever seen. Maybe that guy that broke the fucking whatever's four-minute mile or something. But as far as what we do. Yeah, but he ain't getting taken down. Exactly. He's not getting punched in the face. People should just go to Rob's camp and be like, what are you doing? He's like, I'm wrestling. I'm fucking wrestling. He does run. He does run, and he does lift some weights every now and then. But he doesn't do any of that crazy garage stuff. And one of the guys that spoke out against the garage stuff was Cub Swanson. I shouldn't say spoke out against it. [42:45] because he did some of that training lab stuff, he said he was too broken down. He said he was overtrained. And he said he was just too tired when he was going into, like, fight camp. It's tough to recover. You're doing all the other stuff, too. You're still boxing. You're still kickboxing. You have to. You're still wrestling. And he said he did badly in those fights, which is interesting because – [43:05] you know, [43:06] The Marv Marinovich approach was very different with BJ Penn, and that was the best BJ Penn ever. The best BJ Penn ever, but they literally did no fight training. [43:16] What they did is all plyometrics, and it's different from the stuff the training lab stuff's doing. Because the training lab stuff, he's doing bicycle work and all this stuff. Because that's what... [43:26] Sam Calavita came from. Correct. Came from a cycling background. What Marv was having him do was all plyometric stuff and just build this fucking insane machine. He's like, BJ, you already know how to fight.

[43:39] Fact. You're not going to get better at fighting in eight weeks. Right. Fact. But what we can do is gives you an unstoppable gas tank. And one of the things that always fucked BJ up earlier in his career is that he wasn't when he was training himself or when he had, you know, wasn't Kim and his brother. It wasn't the most different days. Yeah. He's phenomenally talented and freak freak. And one of the things won the world, the Mundials at three years in to jujitsu as a black belt. Like nobody does that. [44:09] You know what I'm saying? It's like, yeah. Right. But... [44:11] What he – the problem with really talented people, and I'm sure you'd probably agree with me, they tend to not work as hard. Yeah. Right? Like Sean, although he's a world champion, he's not – [44:22] A guy where you see like, oh, my God, he is so talented. Like what he does is like no one can move that way. No one can do what he does. [44:29] Like, you know, there's certain guys that are like that. Shots off his hard work. Hard work. [44:34] The guys that are super talented, it comes a little easier for them, and sometimes they have a harder time with the hard work because they're not used to getting beat up. They're not used to getting pressed. So when they have to do this drill where you're rotating in new sparring partners and you're exhausted, when you're doing that – [44:53] Hell, they don't like that. So some guys avoid that shit. They just want to be tuning guys up. Spot on. Yeah. And so those guys, when they're fighting a Georges St. Pierre or someone of a commensurate skill level, they might fade. Yep. Because that guy... [45:07] got there through a different path.

[45:10] I mean, George... [45:12] Although he's a phenomenal athlete, one of the best wrestlers in MMA ever, and didn't even come from a wrestling background. I mean, George is one of the all-time greats. There's not, like, one thing that George would do that would make you think, like, that guy is a freak athlete. There's never been anybody like him like that. No, far from it. To your point, far from it. Because I trained with George forever. And when we did, they would have us do some stuff, like I did in the NFL, like sprints and vertical and the agility drills. Like, nothing. Nothing crazy. [45:42] But BJ was crazy. BJ's crazy. BJ could do stuff where you're like, how the fuck can you do that? BJ could jump out of a pool and land easy. BJ has insane flexibility. The way he moves his legs, his balance is nuts. There's a video of someone trying to take him down, and they have a single, and they are driving across the cage. He's on one leg. And he's on one leg hopping with... [46:08] Zero fear of being taken down. But to your point, BJ's that talented. John's another one. Yep. [46:15] where it's like... Right, right. Exact, exact. Perfect comparison. They're so fucking talented. So fucking talented. And then the difference being like John always figured out a way to win and John... [46:28] If he had a bad camp for one fight, he would come back in the next fight and really fucking put it to somebody. Yeah. Right? Like the Gustafson fight. First fight with Gustafson, he doesn't train at all. [46:39] I talked to Craig Jackson. He's like, he barely showed up. At all. Barely showed up in the gym. And then has a five-round war. And pulls it out in the final two rounds. Pulls it out. It's crazy. Crazy. Gets taken down for the first time. We see him get taken down by Gustafson. I'm like, oh, my God, Gustafson might be the man.

[46:57] And John pulls it out. So the second fight comes around and John trains hard. Fuck him up. And John fucks him up. I mean, fucks him up in a way like this is what would have happened if I tried. Yeah. [47:10] If I prepare the way you prepared, this is how it goes. You get a fucking beating. [47:15] You know, and... [47:16] This is the dance of who's the greatest of all time, and that's why the argument in most people's eyes is that John is the greatest of all time because John was all those things, super talented. And when push came to shove and he had to get back into work and get to gear, he would do it, and he would pull it off against DC. He would pull it off. The Stipe fight. [47:39] was... [47:40] I think that was not Stipe. That was... [47:43] No, that's when you – like when you talk about his resume, you're like, all right. You know? Stipe is the Stipe that ran through the heavyweight division. The Stipe that knocked out Alistair Overeem, that beat Fabrizio Verdun for the title. Beat Francis. When Francis was – [47:59] Just. [48:00] Crushing everybody. And I think that took a lot out of his chin, that Francis fight. I really do. Oh, that changed him forever, I think. Because DC knocks him out right after that. And it wasn't the biggest punch in the world. No. It was a big punch. But, I mean, he had taken bombs from Francis. Yeah, back to John being the guest of all time. It's like when you look at his resume, it's just like, fuck, it's loud. Phenomenal. Phenomenal resume. Youngest ever UFC champion. Crazy. [48:25] But as far as like – Other than Josh Barnett, did Josh Barnett win it earlier? No. I think John's the youngest. John's the youngest. And Josh Barnett was the youngest heavyweight. And Joshua Vann's second now. Right. So Josh Barnett won the heavyweight title at what, 24? Yep.

[48:37] And those boys were, well... [48:39] Didn't they strip him for steroids when everyone was doing steroids? That is crazy. It's like when WWE guys get busted. You're like, oh, come on. Like, bitch, you ain't testing everybody. What the fuck are you talking about? You just don't like Josh. It's the way to get him out. I love Josh. It's the way to get him out. But back to John, it's like you look at his resume. Grace never do it. Beat the very best in Murderer's Row. Murderer's Row. Now, you know, it's not even comparable to today's light heavyweight and heavyweight. But then. You don't think so? No. [49:09] Especially at heavyweight. When Alex was the light heavyweight champion, it certainly was. [49:14] comparable. Alex as the light heavyweight champion, the Alex that beat Magomedov, the Alex that knocked out Yuri Prohaska, the Alex that starches everybody that fucked up Jamal Hill, like that Alex Pereira and Jon Jones in his prime would have been insane. That would have been insane. Oh, man. Tough to beat the wrestling of Jon. Like, Jon's wrestling was on a totally different level. His reach, his IQ, the wrestling would be tough, Ralph. What could he do to Sheryl Gahn? Crazy. I mean, he avoided the shots. He read him like a book. [49:44] bullied him bullied him got all of his neck and like i'll take that but dude if you if you if you go back and look at john is my fighting years too you look at that light heavyweight division one through fucking 15 good luck that's especially heavyweight true but good fucking luck but at light heavyweight okay so not a lot of those guys are ranked in top 10 how do you think yuri well let's let's think of alex how do you think alex would have done against gustafson

[50:10] Very tough fight for him. You think so? Yes. Gustafson in his prime? Yeah. You think so? [50:15] Yeah. [50:15] And do you think that based on the Teixeira fight? Because he pieced up Glover. Remember that fight? Yeah. Bro, that was a video game combination. He knocked out Teixeira. Alex is one of those guys, similar to DC, when John just reigned as champ. It's like if Alex was just born at a different time, maybe five years before, five years after, he's our John Jones. He was so fucking talented. Huge. 6'6", 6'7", great wrestling, great world-class boxing. Good at everything, dude. Great cardio. [50:45] with the goat. You're fucked. You got fucked. Your mom and dad did decide to have sex at the same time. John and his parents did. And you're fucked. Look at what happened with Ilya Teporia. Think about the guys. [50:56] That he's fighting. Think about Max Holloway. Think about Charles Oliveira. Think about Alexander Volkanovsky. And he has blasted all of them into orbit. [51:06] All three of them. [51:07] First guy ever to stop Max. It's like if you're in that guy's division – [51:13] What are you going to do? Especially at 45. I don't know what it's going to be like at 55. Obviously, the Oliveira fight was a one-punch knockout. That was such a bad knockout. Crazy knockout. But when you see him and Justin next to each other, you're like, whoa, Justin is quite a bit bigger. Justin Big Cat. He's quite a bit bigger. That's a tough fight. It's a different fight than Oliveira. It's different. But fuck, then you see what Oliveira was able to do to Max. You're like, good lord. Like, Oliveira's a fucking beast, man.

[51:43] And he couldn't do none of that to Ilya. Yeah, the only thing with all that is like the 55 division, no one's in the prime. [51:51] Charles is in his prime when Ilya beat him. Justin's definitely not in his prime. Max is in his prime. They're all good. They're fucking good, but not prime prime. And the issue is Ilya is... [52:02] Just getting to his prime. Just getting to his prime. Surging. And already one of the greatest of all time. He's a fucking problem. Yeah, he's so smart and so disciplined and so like completely focused and dialed in. Good at everything. [52:17] Graded everything. Graded everything. And the crazy thing is he didn't even start as a striker. Started as a grappler. Now, his toughest matchup is Armin Sarukin. That's the motherfucking fight. 100%. Oh, but that's what I was going to say. With Hamzat, he's not active. [52:33] I know I'm jumping around a little bit, but with Hamzat, I think one of his issues with whatever's going on inside that hot gun, weight cut 100%, clearly there seems to be a mental block when it comes to finishing fights because he's worried about gassing out. [52:46] RAF, take the page out of fucking Sorokin's book. [52:51] Just wrestle all the – Surukin, I think he's wrestled like eight times this fucking year. I know. Just fucking dudes up, making all the money. He makes six figures every time he fucks somebody up, but he's active. He's staying active, staying in shape. Competing. And the UFC's going, yeah, go ahead and do it. So for Hamzat, dude, because he fights once a fucking year, which is not good, dude. [53:10] So it's like stay active over there. [53:13] Stay active like Armus Rukin's doing. Keep your weight down. Yeah, I don't know if he's interested in doing that. He signed with him. Yeah, but what was the fight that they signed that he was going to wrestle somebody? Who was it? Do you remember? I think they want to toss him like an Olympian, which is – that's where it gets dicey. Yeah, here's my fear. There was a recent event. There was a very weird event. I don't know who did it, but it was kicks to the leg, punches to the body, and jiu-jitsu. Have you seen that? No, get the fuck out of my face. It was weird.

[53:43] So Glace and Tebow was fighting. I apologize. I don't remember who he was fighting. And he takes this guy down, and the guy catches – he's trying to avoid the takedown. He catches his knee in a weird way, and it blows out. So that could happen to fucking anybody. Wrestling's a little safer, though. I don't know about that because this was in the wrestling exchange that he took him down. [54:04] Yeah, but those guys aren't exactly like high-level wrestlers. True. You know, like RAF, it's top-tier shit. Oh, yeah, no doubt. It's so good. No doubt. It's so good. [54:14] wrestlers blow their knees out all the time true it's just a part of the craziness of explosive movement and a guy is coming after you it's kind of what you sign up for so for a time slot it's like dude we can't fight fucking once a year and then you have weight issues and clearly there seems to be a mental block and you getting finishes because your cardio [54:32] Let's do RAF. Let's get this rolling. Keeps your weight down. Keeps you active. Also keeps you in the limelight. Like – [54:39] Armin has blown the fuck up, dude. True. He's a massive star now. True. Especially online. I don't know how much that translates to the general public. It's for dorks like us. Dorks like us are riding his nuts. He beat Giorgio twice. That's such a good point. Is it Lance Palmer, the wrestler that he tech-falled, which is nuts? Nuts. Uri Faber threw over the fucking thing. That was crazy. Why'd you do that? What if you both got hurt? What if you hurt Uri? [55:09] Well, he's a psychopath. Yeah. He's a full-on psychopath. I mean, he's rich. Yeah.

[55:14] Dude, he's so rich. Like, literally wealthy. Do you see him on that stream? They go, so, like, if you wanted to... [55:19] Like, buy a car, like $500,000 car. What do you do? He goes, I just call my dad. Yeah. His dad's like a billionaire. He's got tons of money, but he's not lazy at all. No, he's like, he flies in the face of this, like, longstanding belief that we all had that if you come from a rich family, you can't be a great fighter. Dude, he's Batman. It doesn't matter if you come from the ghetto. He's going to fuck you up. He does not give a fuck. Like, he's some fucking dude's like, I'm from the favelas. Oh, cool. Good luck. Cool, man. [55:49] fucking Armenian psychopath. Yeah, and he's pulling up in a Maybach fucking caviar. He pulls into LA. I watch his YouTube videos. He shows him training and all the different stuff he does. When he lands in LA, he goes immediately to an exotic rental car place and rents a Lamborghini and drives it to the training lab. It's not the way it's supposed to work, but he pulls it off. Bro, good luck with that guy. Good luck with that guy. Go ahead and make fun of him for being rich. Like a Greek god, can wrestle [56:19] Top tier wrestler. And he can strike. And he can submit you. Good luck. And he's angry because he's denied a shot at the title. Because he hurt his back when he was getting ready to fight Ilya. Which is the best thing that ever happened to him. [56:32] You think so? Yeah, because look how much – because we were fucking dorks and we knew who he was. But the general – like especially online, no one – his profile is so big now. I think it's just with dorks.

[56:45] I mean, I think, but those dorks, the equal sponsorship, money. Well, here's the deal. There's only one compelling fight. Look at the fucking build on this cat. That is not a guy that grew up with a billionaire dad who could just go buy a fucking Lamborghini with his credit card if he wants to. He's Bruce Wayne, but his parents are still alive. It's nuts. He has no reason to be upset. Well, I'll tell you what. Armenians, look at the fuck. Shut the fuck up, man. Just shut up. Great body. That's ridiculous. Great body. That makes me want to just quit and eat. [57:14] fucking potatoes all day. Or get you in that fucking kind of shape. I'm kidding. Yeah. Yeah. Or just get ripped. [57:21] This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. We've all been there, staying up late, stressed about the future. Maybe you're worried about finding a job or a looming deadline. Whatever you're feeling stressed out about, you don't have to work it out on your own. No one person has all of life's answers, and it's a sign of strength and self-awareness to reach out for help. [57:51] Get the support you need with a fully licensed therapist from BetterHelp. They make connecting with a therapist convenient and easy. Everything is online. Literally all you need to do is answer a few questions and BetterHelp will take care of the rest. They'll come up with a list of recommended therapists that match what you need. And with over 10 years of experience, they typically get it right the first time. So you don't have to be on this journey alone.

[58:21] sign up and get 10% off at betterhelp.com slash J-R-E. That's better, H-E-L-P, dot com slash J-R-E. But it's like he's the compelling matchup for Ilya if Ilya gets past Justin. If Justin beats Ilya, it is not only one of the greatest upsets of all time, it is one of the greatest caps to a career of all time. [58:51] title, wins the BMF title. If he does that and caps his career off, you go, fuck yeah, dude. Way to go out. Brother, if he beats Ilya Tupere at UFC Freedom 250 in front of Donald Trump, he's the only American that gets the belt. It's bigger. It's beyond just MMA UFC. Yeah. Miracle on Ice, fuck off. This is... Imagine the headlines, dude. Yes. And if he beats that guy in his prime who's knocking everyone to the shadow realm... [59:21] He says to Charles Oliveira, I'm sorry, it has to be you. [59:25] Has a celebration party the night before the fight? At a party. At a party. Was he drinking wine and shit? No, he wasn't. Was he? Yeah, I'm pretty sure he's drinking wine. No, I think it was water. No, I'm pretty sure he's drinking wine. Imagine that fucking psychopath. And he gets starched. Yeah, and he's got that beautiful fucking Spanish accent. Yeah, dude. Just checks all boxes. Checks all the boxes. It's such a tough fight for Justin, but I'm rooting for Justin. I love both of them. But just for the sheer fact of, again, I like chaos.

[59:55] And at that, in front of the weird elites watching the fight, you don't know what the fuck's going on. It's going to be great if Justin pulls it off. Yeah. If Justin pulls it off, it would be one of the greatest upsets of all time, one of the greatest victories of all time. And if he does just retire... [1:00:09] Teporia plans to celebrate before the Gaethje clash at the White House. Of course he's going to celebrate. Whatever he's doing. That's his move. Whatever he does. He's doing it again. Massive celebration dinner the night before his lightweight belt. He's going to be on it. [1:00:20] We're going to celebrate before the fight. Actually, we have everything organized. My team has already taken care of that. [1:00:26] That's a mind fucking half when you're in your hotel room, you know, and you're just fucking scrolling on Instagram thinking about 24 hours from now you're going to be fighting. And you're like, what's this asshole doing? Oh, he's fucking standing on top of a table dancing. That's how sure he is. He's going to beat the fuck out of you. He's eating spaghetti and fucking doing a salsa dance. Like, what the fuck are you talking about, man? [1:00:50] Did you see when all the fighters were at the White House? [1:00:52] Trump's like, I thought you liked this guy. Yeah. You're like, oh, fuck. Because why would you give your friend his toughest test? Yeah. [1:00:58] Well, for Gaethje, that's the last fight I mean, if this is really going to be his last fight That is the last fight And it's smart [1:01:06] It's smart because that Patty fight is an entertaining fight for the casuals. But as far as technical-wise, it was so sloppy, man. It was just so sloppy. Well, Justin told me that that's what he wanted to do. Which he should do. He just wanted to just go, fuck you, and just come at him and just throw caution to the wind and just almost fight like he did back in the PFL days. World Series of Fighting Days. That's what it was. Right. Yeah, that's right. That's exactly what he should be doing. And that's exactly what he should have done.

[1:01:36] but he got the job done. But you can tell like [1:01:39] And it's all good. This isn't a knock on Justin. All the years, all the wars, one of the greatest careers we've ever seen, it catches up with you. 100%. It has to. And now here's Ilya Teporia. [1:01:50] But again, [1:01:52] I bet Justin wouldn't have it any other way. You have an opportunity to pull off one of the biggest, if not the biggest upset we've ever seen at the fucking White House. Justin has an awesome series, The Art of Violence, I think it's called. It's on YouTube, and it's all talking about him preparing. It's all videos of him training, and Trevor Whitman's in it. And Trevor was saying, we love being the underdog. We love it. And he talked about being the underdog with Rose Nama Yunus when she beat Ioana Jojechik. Sure. [1:02:22] Same thing Like that They love being the underdog In those situations Like stopping Wei Li was nuts Crazy You know that she was the underdog Head kicks her Yep Crazy And that This is a little different But I hear you It is different It's different But it is It's similar in ways [1:02:39] the zhong weili is because zhong we was fucking everybody's scary there's no one like her the physicality of her at straw weight she was a fucking monster like her training was bananas crazy i'd watch her training i'd go good lord who's gonna beat her she's like her shoulders and shit but the way she trains she trains like a dude yeah like an angry dude you know what i mean like women haircut to show it's not and it's not a knock on the way women train it's not i'm not

[1:03:09] Her ferocity was like she's filled with testosterone. Like, hi-hi-hi! Hi-hi! Hi-hi-hi! Hi-hi-hi! Like, she's trying to kill somebody. She probably is, Joe. She might be. It might be natural. It might have slipped something into her noodles. [1:03:23] Did you see that one fighter who got busted? And she goes, oh, man. Yeah. I took my husband's vitamins and just had to be steroids. Yeah, my husband. She threw her husband under the bus for taking steroids. He fucked up. Is he an active fighter? I don't think so. [1:03:39] He's probably just some meathead. He's like, yeah, I guess this works. I hope so. Yeah, me too. Because if he's an active fighter, he'd be like, what the fuck? Now we're both fucked. Yeah. Yeah. Say somebody gave you the wrong thing. Yeah. [1:03:49] But back to Whaley and Rose, the difference with that is Rose was still pretty in her prime there. Yes, 100%. That's a good point. That's a good point. Real good point. Justin's not in his prime, but damn, he didn't look like he lost a step in the Patty Pimblitt fight. He looked like he was just being an animal. And Pimblitt's fucking good, man. You see what Pimblitt did to Bobby Green? Granted, Bobby Green's not quite at the same level, although he looked fucking sensational. He looked good. [1:04:19] He just keeps doing the damn thing. But also that style is so fun. [1:04:23] Talking shit pointing at you and man so far my face so far how about at the end of the fight when I'm interviewing him? He's like come walk with me and he takes me over to Danny's Joe Dana. Yeah, you like that bonus? He's just talking about he's one of those exciting fighters. I've ever done it. He's awesome. I'm like everybody knows that he's like Why didn't get my fucking bonus? Yeah, but I'm kind of with Dana on the bonus and

[1:04:45] Dana goes, well, we do it also your strength of your opponent. Zell Hoover was good, dude. He beat Zell Hoover in his last fight and stopped him. Badass fight. He should have got a bar. He should have got for that one. That's what he was talking about. Well, but for this last fight, for his last fight, you know, he fought Jeremy Stevens. Great fight. Great fighter. But, you know, compared to like the other guys on the card. Yeah. That's why Dana's like, well. [1:05:10] Well, no, but he was complaining about not getting a bonus in his last fight. That's why he wanted a bonus in this fight. He was saying, because I even asked him, I go, you didn't get a bonus for the Zell Huber fight? He got 25K, right? Because he finished him. If you get a finish, no matter what, but he wanted the big boy bonus. The big boy bonus. Yeah. I hate all of it. I hate people that have to ask for bonuses. It's awkward. Look, the money is there, right? We know the money's there. This is a $7 billion deal. Right. [1:05:39] I'm not a businessman. [1:05:40] I'll say that right now. If I was running the UFC, the stockholders, they would fucking kick me out. The shareholders would have me fired. I wouldn't – you don't want me. I'd run that bitch like affliction. Yeah, you don't want that. You don't want me running the UFC because I treat it like I was a communist. Yeah, me too. I'm also a little more careful the way I talk about it too because I don't know their books. I don't know how to run a giant company like that. I assume with $7.7 billion, I'm like, man, I feel like we could give some over here. [1:06:07] But then if you talk to somebody in the know they're like, oh, do you? Well, look at this, motherfucker. I'm like, oh, my bad. My bad. Now, this is not a knock on Ari Emanuel, but it was reported that he made $67 million last year. He worked very hard.

[1:06:19] I'm sure he did. But that was from the UFC, from TKO. Right. That was his payout. And he's got a bunch of other things going on. He's a very successful guy. But is he the reason they sold for seven points of a billion dollars? He's a big part. Probably a big part. One hundred percent. And the big and also he took the big chance in purchasing it for two billion dollars, which was a big deal. You know, the whole thing is like this is why you're in business. [1:06:41] I think fighting is different than any other business. And the reason why I say this, and you could speak to this more than anybody, you are putting your health on the line in a way that is not required in any other business other than maybe football and boxing and kickboxing. You're putting your health on the line in a way that's different than any other business. [1:07:04] you are the only thing that people are tuning in for. Without the fighters, there is no UFC. It doesn't exist. Correct. It is the entire product, the thing you are selling – [1:07:17] is entirely fighters. And it's fighters... [1:07:20] That operate for a short window of their prime. They have 10 years or whatever they have. And when they get out, you know, we've all talked about guys that are mumbling now. You can't understand what the fuck they say. You see like ticks that they have and guys who have neurological problems, memory problems. It's real. It's real. [1:07:40] So I don't think we should think of it like any other business because the entire business model is these guys. [1:07:48] Bodies.

[1:07:49] And the consequence is their health, and it's for the rest of their life. And so if you're doing something that is generating a significant amount of money for a very short amount of time, I think you should get a lot of money for that if you're one of those people. [1:08:04] the amount of money that is left over for the other people [1:08:08] The people that are making the money, that put the money in, they should still get a lot of money, which is why they did it in the first place. But I don't think the balance is correct. Now, I am biased, right? Because again, I'm not a businessman, but I have a deep empathy for people who put themselves in front of harm and try to chase that glory for our entertainment, for the sport that we love. Yeah. [1:08:34] I think [1:08:35] I think they should be compensated more. Yeah, I don't think you're – I mean obviously we're biased because we love fighters and I was a fighter. It's not even about being biased. It's just – Fairness. It's fairness. It's fairness in the marketplace and – Well, the thing is – It's such a dicey thing and I know people hate when I bring up fighter talk and – [1:08:55] I get sick of it, too, because... [1:08:58] I don't know what you can really do. It's simple. Well, I go, is it, though? Because here's the thing. People will go, okay, they've made $7.7 billion. Here's their overhead. We don't know what's going on. But it's like... [1:09:12] If... [1:09:13] The UFC is the only... [1:09:14] The only... [1:09:17] Sports combat sports promotion to ever make money.

[1:09:22] Ever. Right. Nobody else has ever done it better or made profit. So my thing is like, is this just what it is? [1:09:31] And I know some people are like, you're such an idiot. They have this leftover money. I hear you. But what I'm saying is there's PFL, Bellator, Affliction, World Series. We can go through the list. One championship. None of them. [1:09:44] are around someone like their last leg. No one's ever been able to sustain it. So all I'm and I'm not saying we don't deserve more fucking money. All I'm saying is, is this just how it goes in the fight business? [1:09:56] I don't know. I'm not a businessman. I know people are yelling right now, you're a fucking idiot. I'm just saying, is fighting different where, hey, man, that's just – [1:10:05] It's not the NFL. It's not the NBA. It's not MLB. In order for us to continue this rise, this is what it is. It's 18% to the fighters. [1:10:15] I don't know, Joe. Okay. That's what I'm saying. I don't know. Good points. First of all, let's just give the UFC its flowers because without – I love how the kids say that these days. Give flowers. Yeah. Good saying. Have your daughter started using buns yet? Oh, yeah. They use that. Yeah. I just found – my son – It's bad. Buns is bad. Yeah, I didn't know. I got a new truck. My son's like, I think it's buns. I'm like, is that good? What's that? They're saying it's ass. Yeah, I know, but buns are always like cute buns. Yeah, I know. Check out the buns. He gets nuts. Yeah, we're – Young Jamie. Yeah, young Jamie. But what were you saying? [1:10:45] the UFC is the greatest organization in combat sports history, period. There's nothing even close. The product is so much better than any boxing promotion. And my friends that I've brought,

[1:10:55] to the UFC that are boxing fans, like my friend Josh Dubin. [1:10:59] He was like, the fucking production's incredible. He goes, it's so much more exciting than any boxing event. It's so much better. That is 100% true. They've also been a consolidated organization forever, right? I mean, it was a different owner. It was Bob Meyerowitz back in the day in 97 when I worked for them. But from 2021 on, so for the last 25 fucking years, it's been Zufa, right? They sold Zufa. [1:11:29] Ari Emanuel, TKO. But the same people are running it, right? It's still Dana White. It's still all these people behind the scenes. That's another conversation with Dan. Yeah, it's still Anik. It's still me and DC and Michael Bisping and all the other people that are doing commentary and Dominic Cruz and Paul Felder and Laura Sanko. It's still – the team's the same. The team behind the scenes is the same. It's so polished. There's never a problem. When I show up at the UFC, everything's so smooth. [1:11:59] everybody i show my badge to the fucking security people i say hi we sit down everything is smooth we got a hit in five minutes okay great everybody's there the sound guy's on point everything is on point it's so easy and close and it's like the production in the truck is so fucking good they always have the right angle giordano's always on the case when it comes to like getting the right angle for a submission or getting the right angle for replays if i ask for

[1:12:29] Like, I'll push the button. You know, let me hear his corner. Yeah. It's boom. They're right on it. They're the best. High level. They're the best. The best. And you notice that when you see other promotions. It's like other promotions, the camera works on is good. It's like things are good. It's. [1:12:42] The machine is so good, and it's become like the NFL. Like, I know the XFL exists. I've never even fucking heard of a game. I've never even heard of a game. Name one player. No one's even brought up a game that's going to happen. I know it's a thing. Never. And the problem with casuals, that's the same with the PFL, even though the PFL's fucking got really good fighters. There's really good fighters in the PFL. Far cry from the UFC, but yeah. Some of them are really good, man. [1:13:12] Fedor's protege? Oh, yeah, yeah, the Russian cat. Bro. He's good. Bro. He's good. [1:13:17] In the UFC's fucking shallow-ass heavyweight division, we could use that guy. We could use him. I'd like to show up at that dude's hotel room with a fucking briefcase full of money. Let's go, dog. This episode is brought to you by Dodge. The new Dodge Charger scat pack is built for people who still believe driving should be exciting. You want to talk about performance? Let's start with a twin-turbo six-pack gas engine. All gas. No mercy. [1:13:45] 550 horsepower. [1:13:47] zero to 60 in just 3.9 seconds and a top speed of 177 miles an hour. Woo! Unlike vehicles that make you choose between traction and attitude, the Dodge Charger Scat Pack comes with standard all-wheel drive and a selectable rear-wheel drive mode so you can get confident handling when you want it and the freedom to still be able to do burnouts.

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[1:15:47] They deserve to be rich because of that. They've made an incredible product. So do the fighters, though. I think your product is entirely dependent on the fighters. Now, this is my position with my comedy club. So my comedy club pays different than every comedy club. The fighters, the fighters, the comedians make most of the money when it comes to the door. [1:16:09] That's how it should be. But let me ask you this, Joe, and if it's too much, we're like, dude, get the fuck out of it. But is the mothership compared to... [1:16:17] The Comedy Store, the improv, are you guys crushing them? It's doing really well. I mean, the Comedy Store is always going to be one of the great clubs on earth. It's a legendary club. It's dependent upon who's there. The difference between the way the Comedy Store does it and the way we do it is that we bring in national headliners for the weekend. Like the weekend, it might be Dave Attell. This week is Tony Rock. Is there another club that does that? Yes. Because Comedy Store is a little different because you have your regulars. Is there another club that does that? Sure. [1:16:47] the same lineup for the weekdays. Yeah, I know. So the weekdays, we've got Shane Gillis, Ron White, Tony Hinchcliffe. Kill Tony's there every Monday. It's a different setup. That's what I'm saying. Is there anybody doing that? Because the comics have to be... My whole point is, however you run your business, it's like... [1:17:01] Is the model where you're doing it, where the comics are making the majority of the money, is that a sustainable business? 100%. It makes money. If we take Joe Rogan out of it and some dude wants to start a club and did the same thing, is that going to be profitable? No. You have to have the talent, but that's the difference. It's like the thing with the PFL versus the UFC. You have to have the talent.

[1:17:23] And the reason why our club works is because – [1:17:26] Everything, look, it's pure luck. [1:17:29] It's pure luck. Everything had a lineup. We had to hit every green light. [1:17:34] It had to – COVID had to happen. The comedy store had to get shut down. All the employees from the comedy store had to get fired. We had to not be able to do stand-up in L.A. I had to be worried about my family and, like, the crime and the riots. And then the COVID shit where everyone was wearing a mask. I was like, this is bananas. And then moving to Texas or just visiting Texas. But you got to give yourself credit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you were also the guy that had the idea to do it. Most people wouldn't pull that trigger. [1:18:04] to do that. That is true, but it's all a lot of luck because it had to happen at the right time. It had to happen at a time in my career where I had a lot of money. [1:18:11] So it had to happen when the Spotify deal took place. So I had all this money. And then it all had a lineup where I was already the number one podcast in the world. So I could easily get people to come. Because of you, Joe? I understand. I get the luck thing. And you're humble. No, no, no. I'm just being honest. It had a lineup. [1:18:30] So I couldn't have done it on my own. I had to come here, and Ron White was already here. So Ron White's a big reason why I moved here. No, I know. Because it was like – [1:18:41] even if I never do comedy again and I was really wondering if we're ever going to do comedy again [1:18:46] Ron's here. I'll hang out with Ron. We'll have laughs. Yeah. So when I moved here and then all of a sudden Tony moved here and then Tom Segura moved here and Brian Simpson moved here and Asan moved here and Derek Poston moved here and it was like, oh shit, we got something cooking. And then Tim Dillon came here and then it was like, oh my God. And then Duncan Trussell moved here. I was like, holy shit. So they're moving because you're here. I understand. But they had to do it before the mothership even opened. Take a shot. They all moved before the mothership opened. Shane moved after the mothership opened.

[1:19:16] But they all came in early and trusted me. Yes. And so I was like, okay. [1:19:22] These guys. [1:19:23] I owe them [1:19:25] They took a chance with their future. I have to throw everything into this, and all together, we'll do it. So it's our club. It's really our club. But it had to happen in a way where I had this disposable money. I had disposable income where I could do it, and it wouldn't hurt me. And then I could set it up in a way where the comics make so much money. So that way, you encourage people to stay. So there's so many people that are there all week long during the week. They don't have to go do shows other places. [1:19:55] club you're doing it right but i guess my example like can the ufc do that because because my example for you it's like can these other comic clubs do that and sustain and grow and have money and they could in new york and they might be able to do it in la so i don't think you could do it in la right now because the store is open and the store is always going to be the premier club in the world it's always legendary so it's on sunset strip even though la's falling apart it's still the legendary destination for stand-up comedy it's one of the main reasons why i was excited to move to [1:20:25] ECCA. [1:20:25] It was when I was a beginner, an open-miker in 1988. They would talk about the store like it was Mecca, like you had to go to the store. They still do, though. I don't think that's ever gone away. Of course. The store comes and goes in cycles. It always does. It always goes in cycles depending on who's in town, who's there. All comedy clubs are dependent upon what talent is in town during the weekdays. And if you don't bring in talent on the weekends, that's the difference.

[1:20:55] the weekend like the way our club does. I told Scott, Scott Shore, I was like, I think, no, no, it was Peter. Sorry. I told Peter Shore, I was like, I think you guys should do that. I think you should like bring in. But do they have to go? Because you can still go on a Saturday night and you'll see, you know, big names. Yes, you will. Big names. [1:21:13] But you could have those people there still as well. Like they could also do shows with that person and you have two other rooms. And that's what you guys. You have the OR and you have the belly room. You have three rooms in one location. Like you could still have the OR filled with top talent because they don't give a fuck where they're performing in the big stage or the little stage. In fact, most of us prefer the little stage. The OR is an amazing room. Yeah. [1:21:37] But the thing is it's like you have to have enough talent in town, and a lot of people moved out of L.A. A lot of people moved out of L.A. Yeah, Joey Diaz moved out of L.A. Like a lot of people moved out of it. Theo moved out. A lot of people moved out. So the problem is you would have to have enough talent there, and then you would have to have talent that was there all the time like us. Like we're at the club all the time. I think – and going back to if the UFC could do this, like they're profiting so much now, there's no reason to. [1:22:07] that's the other issue this is the problem you want to hear my idea though? this is rational you want to hear my idea? yeah and you might be like you're out of your fucking mind okay and again I'm not anti-UF nothing you cut my fucking wrist right now Bob O'Reilly spills out I fucking bleed UFC I made my entire career yeah [1:22:24] When that Paramount deal was announced, and I'm a wild boy, when that Paramount deal was announced, what I would have done is, and this is the issue why things will never change, I would have talked to all the managers.

[1:22:36] all the fighters and said, we're not fighting another fight. They just signed a huge deal, $7.7 million. If you guys want to get your equal share, nobody's agreeing to a fight bout. [1:22:47] to a fight card, [1:22:48] Unless we get, I don't know, someone's going to figure out 30%. So it's 18% right now. If we go up 30%, which is still going to have profit, if they agree to that, then we'll fight. [1:22:58] But there's no deal if we don't fight. Those days are over now, so you missed the mark. Now, you're going to say, yeah, but they can get other guys to do that. [1:23:07] And I'm saying across the board, we all agree as fighters, we're not going to fucking move an inch. If you get fighters to agree to that, it would work. That's the problem. It'll never happen. Not in a million years. That was my idea. Then here's the other thought. Rallying troops. Dana White has this thought about fighters that when they get paid too much and they get rich, their careers end earlier. Right. [1:23:30] But that's that's the other Arman Sarukian. And he's right. [1:23:33] Yeah. And he's right. Well, there's Armin. Yeah. Bruce Wayne. But for the most part, he's right. Don't go through anybody's career. He's kind of right. He's kind of right. But it doesn't matter. That's on them. Yeah. Agree. That's on them. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. I mean, he's right, but you can't protect them for unless you have a bonus that you're going to pay them out when they retire. And they're not going to do that. But the other thing, I think Sean Shelby said this might have been McManier.

[1:24:03] We're not getting the fights we want to make. Once they have that goose egg, they're like, no, I'm not fighting that fucking guy. It's a nightmare. I know. But again, you can't base it off of that because I'm sure there are some guys who will do it. Yeah. And you fuck with them. But it's not a reason not to pay him. Listen, it's – all this is hippie talk. [1:24:22] But I feel like if I owned the UFC, I would not feel good if people didn't feel compensated correctly. [1:24:33] This is just my feeling. [1:24:36] I'm not a good business man. [1:24:38] If you want to be a good businessman, you've got to make the most money possible. I don't know, Joe. You've done pretty fucking well, Bubba. A lot of luck. A lot of luck. You've got to quit saying luck. You're driving me nuts. No, but it is. You're driving me nuts, dude. You work harder than anybody else. Well, I work hard when I – listen, I stick with things and I have a good work ethic. That is true. That's half the battle, Bubba. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm not like a businessman in the sense of like if I was running a business like that, I wouldn't treat it the same way. I wouldn't say I'm trying to make the most money possible. I would say I got money. [1:25:08] Let's just make this motherfucker the greatest thing of all time and make everybody feel good about it. Yeah, but again, I don't know the in and outs. I don't know if you can run an organization like that and be profitable. I don't know. Well, it would be profitable, but it wouldn't be as profitable. And that's the thing when you have shareholders. [1:25:23] So when you have shareholders, you have an obligation to your shareholders to maximize your profits. [1:25:28] And this is the only knock on the UCI have is in order to get that $7.7 billion deal, you have to put on whatever it is, 45 fight cards a year. Right. So like those fight nights. So now you don't really have the talent or the stars to fulfill those cards. But because you made this deal with Paramount, now you're getting just – you're signing these contenders series kids who have three fights, four fights where 10 years ago, those boys ain't sniffing the UFC. It was so hard to get in.

[1:25:58] Because we have to fulfill those cards, you're getting a lower level of talent. Yeah, well, here's what's interesting. [1:26:06] players in the purchasing of the UFC. [1:26:09] of the rights to the UFC was Netflix. [1:26:12] They were one of the players. Interesting. They were one of the people that were thinking about doing it. So there was negotiations with them. There was negotiations with ESPN. And ultimately, Paramount was like this wild, dark horse that came around with the big money. And I like Paramount. I have no issues. The ads are weird, but whatever. I love Mobland. I love Landman. Landman. Yeah. Mobland is fucking great. Everyone's that? Fuck yeah. Fuck yeah. Is this Audi? Is there a six in that? This is dope, right? It makes you want so bad. Me too. I was trying to convince my wife to get one. I never wanted a wagon until I saw Tom Hardy drive that. [1:26:42] It's sick. They're so sick. It's a great show. Yeah. But Paramount has awesome shows. So it makes sense. I already had it. Great. Perfect. I love the fact there's no pay-per-view. But what's interesting about Netflix not doing it, because I think Netflix didn't want the – [1:26:59] I might be talking out of school, but I'll just say it. I believe what I heard. Here's the caveat. Is that Netflix did not want the small fights. They did not want fight nights. Good for them. [1:27:13] They only wanted the big ones. They're all get that shit out of here. Well, some of the fight nights are fucking awesome. We like them because we're degenerates. Right. The public's like, who the fuck are these guys? And the Apex, there's no one there. Yeah. I love that Netflix is like, what take these? I love the Apex fights. I love it all.

[1:27:29] to an Apex fight card. I'm trying to find the right one just to go and watch. Let's fucking go. I would love that. I just want to go to watch because they'll let you in if you come with me. I feel like I don't have any anything anymore. I kind of stood by the fact they didn't want the volume. That's it. That's how they say it, which we understood from the get-go. Ted Sarandos, who I love. Bella Bajaria. I don't know her. We're very upfront with that. We're looking for big events. So the fact that you [1:27:59] we were just going to put on the platform for free as long as you're a subscriber, as long as you just give us that, we're in, we'll pay premium for it, but we don't want to carry the other 30 fight nights. They said we don't want the bullshit. But then where would those 30 fight nights go? That's the question. But then that fulfills PFL, Bellator, or you do Fight Pass. Yeah, Fight Pass. Fight Pass. You could do that. Fight Pass. But, again, the business side of it, the Zufa or TKO is going, [1:28:29] a big nut, $7.7 billion, because we offer so much content. You guys are trying to do what our game plan was 15 years ago, which are just one big fight, [1:28:39] every once a month, which for the fans is... [1:28:42] fucking awesome. It makes sense for Zufa. And it makes sense for Netflix. I get it. All of it makes sense. It just wasn't a fit. But what I was getting at is now it's interesting because Netflix has got a lot of money. [1:28:58] Netflix throws some money around, right? And Netflix has a tremendous amount of subscribers. And now Netflix is in the MMA game. I'm glad you brought that up. So this is where it gets – Can anybody talk about it?

[1:29:10] Keep going. Us, dorks like you and me. Keep going. No, no one in the real world is talking about it to me, but that's okay. The point is they're going to do it, and just because it's on Netflix, I guarantee you millions of people will watch it. I bet they'll have a hard time selling live tickets. Yeah. [1:29:26] Let's see if it's sold out. It's definitely not. The tickets are $88. [1:29:31] But... [1:29:31] that. [1:29:32] This is where it gets tricky because... [1:29:35] The more places fighters have to go, the better. Because UFC has no competition. It's a monopoly. All good. Which NFL is, NBA is. I have no issues with that. So if fighters, big-name fighters have a place to go and can get paid, I'm all for it. The issue with Netflix and getting MMA, it's like my thing would be, well, what's the plan here? [1:29:55] So Ronda and Gino fight this week, and you've got two four-year-olds fighting the main event. [1:30:00] So it's going to get good numbers. But again, and you know this, you've been in business with Netflix. They're not going to give you the real numbers, right? When you negotiate, they don't give you the real numbers. They don't tell you shit. They say, you did great. They don't tell you. But then all of a sudden, Jake Paul did 400 million people. I'm like... [1:30:15] Really? Did he? So they're going to say... Well, Jake Paul can say that, right? Did Netflix say that? Netflix said this. Oh, they said 400 million people watched it? Some bullshit like that. How many people have Netflix? I don't think they have that many. I made up a crazy number, but it's a ton of people. That last article said that they have over 300 million subscribers. [1:30:32] So 100 million people were hiring it. [1:30:36] But so – and right now – and I get – Rhonda is being a promoter. She learned from Dana. She's like, we're going to destroy the White House. I disagree.

[1:30:43] I don't think it does. But Netflix will tell you they did. Well, here's the thing. Even if it gets really good numbers, Jake Paul versus Anthony Joshua, 33 million viewers on Netflix. That's really good. [1:30:55] That's really good. I don't know what the Sean Strickland, Hamzak Chmaev numbers were. They might not have been 33 million. Maybe they were. I don't know. The thing about it being Paramount, Paramount does not have the number of subscribers that Netflix has. How many subscribers? I'm guessing. I might be wrong. I think they have like 60 million, right? How many subscribers does Paramount Plus have? [1:31:19] But this is what you're not taking into consideration. [1:31:21] Paramount and the UFC, it's only in America. [1:31:25] So in Canada and like in Europe, there's this not a thing. Right. So what are those views now? [1:31:32] Right. You know, like when we're adding all this up. Can they get Paramount in other countries? I don't think the Paramount's in Europe and shit like that. They're watching on like Sky Sports, I think, out there. They have a different deal. Oh, interesting. And then Australia, I think, still has pay-per-view. [1:31:45] Interesting. I think you're right. [1:31:47] I think you're right. Okay, 79 million subscribers. So that's a big difference. [1:31:52] Between – it says globally. Yeah, half of them are in the U.S. 35 million are in the U.S. Are there any countries where Paramount is not in? Let's put that into – [1:32:03] Yeah, but I still think that UFC deal was just for the U.S. Yeah, it's just for U.S. Just for U.S. Yeah. Okay. Because UK is Sky Sports. So that means there's only 35 million people. [1:32:12] that it's reaching, period. So they'll never get to the Jake Paul number. The Jake Paul number of the Anthony Joshua fight, if that's an accurate number, 33 million, they're never going to get to that. But remember, the White House is also on CBS. That's different. How many people on CBS? How many people are watching regular TV? That's wild. Maybe they might have 30 more views. Oh, my dad's crunk. My dad's crunk. That shit's on Channel 4 in Denver, Colorado. You need your rabbit ears to pick it up. They still have regular TV, man. Regular TV is crazy.

[1:32:42] Some people have to fucking move the antenna. The signal's coming in bad. Crazy. There's some people out there with regular TV. Yeah, hell yeah. That's wild. Where they only have the four channels. That's crazy. And they're just getting their news from like, you know. Robots. Fox and fucking. [1:32:57] They don't even get Fox. Fox is cable. That's right. Yeah. Regular TV, you ain't getting jack shit. They can swear on Fox. Fox. [1:33:06] Can they? I believe so. Because if it's on cable, I think you're allowed to swear. Oh, wow. [1:33:11] I think so. [1:33:12] Yeah, but I don't think Fox is... Fox... Well... [1:33:15] There's a broadcast version of Fox, though. [1:33:17] Right, but is it regulated? If it's broadcast, it is. But Fox still is right, but broadcast and cable. So what do you mean by there's a broadcast version? So there's a version. It all has to do with over the air. What's available through the air? Right. That's what the FCC is regulating. So the broadcast version meaning that you could just get it with a regular antenna? Yeah, there's like a local Fox. Oh, okay. Okay, you're right. You're right. You're right. [1:33:43] It came way later. That's right. I'm so old. I remember when Fox was just cable. Channel 31. I remember we wanted it for The Simpsons and Married with Children. Yeah. Simpsons, too. Maybe it was broadcast back then. [1:33:55] Maybe I'm wrong. [1:33:56] I think I am. It was hard to get. It wasn't the strongest of signals in most places. Oh, okay. But it was always broadcast. Okay. My fucking times change now because there's like, you talk about Mobland. There's so many dope shows. There's so many good shows out there. Yeah. But it's like hot for like a week. And then something else comes. Just too many things. There's too much. Like there would never be like Game of Thrones or Sopranos where it's like the entire world shuts down. Right. We all just kind of binge it when we want. True. And there's a new show here.

[1:34:26] Thank you. [1:34:26] It's not good, man. True. That's fact. That's fact. Try selling a show right now. Like that – I was talking about my GearHeads Gone Wild on Tubi. Tubi has fucking, I think, 300 million subscribers. They're big. But trying to sell a show – [1:34:41] 300 million subscribers on Tubi? Tubi's fucking massive. I didn't know either. I didn't know either. When I first got the offer, I'm like, where? [1:34:48] But again, trying to sell a show is fucking tough. A car show? Tough, dude. I didn't know Tubi had that many subscribers. Look that up to make sure. I've been so exaggerating this episode. It surpassed 100 million monthly active users. [1:35:03] How many subscribers do they have in total? [1:35:08] I know the number is alarming. Is it a subscriber thing or is it like a YouTube thing? We could just like view it. I would imagine it's tiered. It says a free ad-supported streaming service. [1:35:19] rather than subscription-based model. It's free, but they have subscribed, and then you can get the non-ad paid where you pay, I think. Oh, okay. So you can just get it for free. Yeah, like YouTube. YouTube Red and regular YouTube. YouTube is probably the biggest. Right. [1:35:33] They probably have the most active viewers worldwide. [1:35:37] Not even close, right? But remember they tried doing shows and it just ate shit? Like YouTube Red. Remember YouTube Red? Oh, yeah. They're like making offers. I remember YouTube Red. That's crazy. That's crazy. It's interesting because just a regular show on YouTube can do really well. Like Mr. Beast. [1:35:56] Yeah, but I think YouTube Red was kind of a little before that, right? Right. And they're like, put your shows on here. They jumped the gun. Yeah. They jumped the gun. And Mr. Beast was like, or I'll just put my shit out and everybody in the world will watch it. Yeah, the thing about it, if you put your shit on YouTube, there's literally an infinite number of options and channels. That's the thing. And it's completely dependent on what you see, like the recommended for you. It's completely what you're interested in. Well, everything's niche now. It's like there's people out there we don't even know.

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[1:39:34] 5 million subscribers? Well, I should fucking subscribe. People do that. They'll click on it. And they'll click on your views or your videos more often. Because they think they're like missing out. Look at this guy doing something, right? Of course. It definitely – I'm not saying that's responsible for all the views that you'll get because of that, but it has an impact on how people see you. You look more legitimate. [1:39:54] trying to develop sponsor deals or some sort of a brand endorsement deal. You're like, well, I've got 20 million subscribers on YouTube. Like, oh, this guy's big. That's true. This guy's big. Yeah, it definitely does. But then they're like, there's three comments. Well, there was scammers that were doing weird stuff in the early days of podcasts where they would rig things to exaggerate downloads back in the early days of audio home. Oh, buddy. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And then someone came and regulated it. Exactly. But it's not like we were all in on it. [1:40:24] It was someone who was running, because we're all kind of using the same audio thing. And I remember telling Brian, I'm like, do we have 30 million fucking audio? [1:40:31] 30 mil, dude, this month. And then Tom's like, yeah, I got 60. I'm like, dude, we're crushing it. And then someone came in. I was like, actually. Yeah. What it was doing was like every time someone clicked on it, it would count. So that like I'm talking completely. If they started, stopped it. Right. It counted. It counted over and over again as multiple listens. That's right. And I think they do that with other things, too. Like. [1:40:54] So you have to figure out who the actual number of people – but people have been accused of making – you could pay to get Instagram accounts.

[1:41:05] You can get followers. There's companies that will get you followers. I don't know if it's legit or legal, but I know for a fact that some people have done that. But doesn't Instagram in the background, doesn't YouTube, don't they try to shut that shit down? They just deleted millions of bots over the weekend. 100%. And I notice it sometimes. I'll notice it while I lose like 100,000. Yeah, I lost 100,000. Yeah. But there are bots, 100%. And there's a ton of them, and they catch some of them. But some of them are more sophisticated in their approach. And then they adjust. [1:41:35] You could run an AI program. So if you run an AI program and you have a – like if you're in fucking Singapore or wherever you're at doing this, you could run an AI program that controls a bunch of different cell phones that has a bunch of different accounts. And you could have them even commenting on things. And you'll notice this sometimes. And they'll be programmed to comment positive or negative. And it seems like a fucking person, man. Wow. [1:42:05] name like Bob567254, and then you see like, God, I don't think Bob's a person. And then you go to Bob's account, and you're like, there's almost no chance that Bob's a person. But meanwhile, Bob's posting all the time and making comments on things all the time. And most likely what this is, is it's paid engagement. So it's not just paid views, but because of AI and because of programs you could run, there's the potential for paid engagement. Dialogue back and forth.

[1:42:35] I don't know that you're aware of this, Joe. The streamer's paying for the next level of what you're describing. So it's not AI doing it. Have you heard of clippers? Yes. They're paying for it. There's thousands of people that are just sitting around at home making a shitload of money. A ton of money. [1:42:50] And they're posting... [1:42:51] Because you'll think certain people are bigger than they are. Like, man, I see them everywhere. It's like, that's all by design. And you can pay for that, too. So that's probably legal, right? No? I mean, why should it be? Right. [1:43:06] I mean, it all depends on what are you doing. Are you getting money from it? Are you getting advertising revenue from it? To your point, it's a false sense of fame. Because to your point with Armin, it's like, yeah, we know him, and he's getting views online. But does that equal actual fans? [1:43:22] I think... [1:43:25] It reinforces the fans that already love him. Yes. And a few people are going to hop on board. But as far as your general casual that will tune in for a UFC fight card, no. [1:43:37] Not necessarily. But it's also a younger demo, right? Like, have you ever watched a stream? [1:43:42] No. You're older than me. No. I never watched the stream. I had a talk with a streaming company the other day. I'm like, do what? [1:43:48] Wait, wait, you want me to seven days a week turn on the camera and hear my... [1:43:52] Just like breakfast and shit, like hanging out with my family. [1:43:56] Well, the streaming thing is nuts where people just live online. First of all, how bad is that for your back? [1:44:01] And you're just ranting and raving and talking online all day. Can't be good. But then, like, you know, we love Rampage. Rampage does it making stupid money. Yeah, but, you know, it's a good move for Rampage. You know, he's not fighting anymore. Yeah. It's a good move. Makes sense. And he's got the Jackson podcast. That's doing well. It's good for him to diversify, do a bunch of different things. He's crushing other. And he's also got a great personality. He's great. He's perfect for it. Perfect for that. But some people, you know...

[1:44:27] It ain't their thing. Shouldn't be doing that. But streaming is like the biggest thing, yeah, Jamie? Yeah. I get me someone old as fuck, but I don't... We're old. Yeah. Also... The only thing that's live? You know, it's also... It's like... [1:44:39] What are you doing with your life? Like, I got things to do. I can't sit in front of the camera for five hours a day. I don't understand how anybody does it. But also, is it that entertaining? Like, my life's not fucking lit 24 hours a day. Well, they talk a lot of shit on camera, and then they watch a bunch of things and react to things. There's a lot of that. Like, for a lot of them, like, for our channel... [1:45:00] There was a lot of people that were making a living just going on Twitch and these other channels, these other streaming things. Streaming your shit? Streaming my show and commenting on it. [1:45:09] Like reaction videos. Yeah, getting mad about things we said. But they were doing it through the – they were playing the whole show out. Oh. [1:45:17] That's illegal. Well, it was very shady. It was very weird because they were commenting on it. But it was like your entire content was based on my content and your reaction to my content. But, you know, it's weird. You know, you're dunking on me or you're pumping me up or whatever you're doing. It's it's there is a lot of that going on. And so then there's a lot of people that are watching, whether it's Mr. B's show and commenting on that or other shows are coming on that. So they're watching stuff online. Someone will send them a video of a guy getting a street fight to comment on that. [1:45:47] Yeah. It's reaction videos. And they're interacting with all these people that are in the comments. They're making money off of it. Yeah, and they're talking to these people that are in the comments. It's like, first of all, if you think that,

[1:45:58] Social media is bad for your mental health. Oh, my God. Dude, yesterday I was driving down. I dropped my kids off, and I was going somewhere. I was going to this... [1:46:07] This car shot my trucks in the shop and I was driving my father-in-law's car and I see a high school bus Lake Travis high school I live right by Lake Travis. I see a Lake Travis high school bus pull up. I just look over every single kid Staring at their phone. Yep, not talking to each other. No, I say what it bummed me out so fucking bad I know it's you know the fun we used to have on that bus and no one's no one's talking to each other I know the bus is silent [1:46:33] I'm like, God, you guys are doing it wrong. Well, it's not just they're doing it wrong. I want to jump on that bus and be like, hey, listen, I know I'm the old dude. You guys are fucking up right now. Well, you're right, but... [1:46:42] It is also where human beings are headed. We're headed into this weird world of the digital world, and this is the first steps. These are the first steps we're taking by staring into a phone all day. But we know it's not good. Oh, yeah. No, it's not good. So we're just going to continue to go down this shit road? You don't think there's anything we can do? [1:47:00] Nope. [1:47:00] No, people are addicted. They're 100% addicted to their phone. I don't see anything changing. [1:47:06] I think if anything, it's going to get more – [1:47:09] invasive. And then it's probably, I mean, who knows, just guessing what the next technology is going to be. But as this technology moves forward, it's going to get more invasive. It's [1:47:23] you're going to interact with more people through whatever the fuck it is. However they're going to do it, whether it's going to be some new tech that lets you communicate with people with a headset, and you're reading each other's minds, or whether you're hanging out together in augmented reality or virtual reality. And you don't think anybody's like, man, we're a damn it. They're not going to. No one's going to. They're going to keep doing it. Is this too much money? No, it's just everyone's addicted, and everyone uses it for too many things. It's also a primary source of news and information.

[1:47:52] I get all my ideas about how the world is working from social media. Not social media commentary, but social media stories. Well, someone will post, like, this is going on in Iran. This is going on here. I get it off social media. I get it off of X. But you have to pick and choose in what you pay attention to, right? Yeah, it's dicey. And you've got to find people that are not full of shit and not click engagement, because there's a lot of just clickbait bullshit. The majority is. [1:48:22] There's a lot of that. But you also find breaking news, and you also find things that you wouldn't know about, like certain stories and certain things that are happening in the news and certain really crazy stories. They're like, how am I not hearing about this? This should be fucking huge. But you don't think it's going to be like – and I know we have to use it. You don't think it's going to be kind of like cigarettes, like in the 60s where everyone was doing it and then eventually – [1:48:46] The parents of those kids – I'm sorry, the children of those parents go, what the fuck? This is so bad for you? If it was a substance, I would agree. But it's addictive. It is addictive, but the problem is it's – [1:48:57] all facets of your life. It is your calendar. It is your email. It is how you take pictures and all your memories. It is how you interact with a lot of people. There's a lot of people, I don't even have their phone numbers. I just, they DM me. [1:49:09] And I DM them. I have friendships with people that I just DM. So there's that. But that's basically – [1:49:19] The problem is that it's a giant part of the world now where cigarettes never really were. We're relying on it. Yeah. There was a bunch of people who didn't smoke. Even when people smoked cigarettes. Let's look this up. Throw this into perplexity, young Jamie.

[1:49:35] please um during the height of smoking in the united states what percentage of adults smoked let's guess [1:49:42] God, back in the day, whenever it was the nuttiest, like in the 50s or whatever. [1:49:48] We think it was 50 percent. [1:49:49] That'd be high, right? Crazy high. [1:49:52] 30%? I was thinking like 33%. [1:49:55] But it might be higher. [1:49:57] Because those old days, man, everybody had a cigarette in their hand. [1:50:00] Johnny Carson show. Everyone. Yeah. [1:50:03] People walking down the street, smoke on planes, smoke on buses, smoke on trains. Everybody was walking down the street smoking. But what percentage of those people were doing it? [1:50:12] Okay. [1:50:13] 40 to 45. Wow. In the mid-1960s, the height of cigarette use in the U.S., roughly 40 to 45 percent of adults smoked, which works out to the order of 80 to 90 million adults. Wow. That's a shit ton. That's incredible. [1:50:28] That's incredible. American Lung Association's summary notes that adult smoking has fallen to around... [1:50:34] From around 40 to 43 percent in 1965 to about 11 to 12 percent in 2022. I think it's back. Yeah. [1:50:41] I think people are smoking. Really? I feel like it's lower. I think people are smoking. I see it a lot now. This outlawed it in San Francisco. Yeah. [1:50:48] Outside. That's hilarious. That's gay. That's San Francisco. That's gay. That makes sense. The San Francisco tree. Will you hear what they're doing in the UK? [1:50:56] If you were born before or after a certain date, you can't buy cigarettes. [1:51:02] When you turn 21.

[1:51:05] Just to stop people from... Exactly. So people that were born in like fucking whatever year, whatever year they set it at, when they turn 21, they will not be able to buy cigarettes. Just trying to eliminate cigarettes. But you'll be able to buy cigarettes because you were born at a different time. They say, oh, you're retarded. You don't know any better. That's so stupid. It's communism. It's socialism. But didn't they just run out the fucking... Was it Prime Minister or the fuck they called? He's still there. I thought they ran him out to bring somebody else in. They probably want to. They want to. [1:51:35] kind of woke socialism. It's like it's the government telling you what to do. [1:51:40] When I say communism, I don't mean like they take all your money because they'll definitely do that eventually too. But what they do is they tell you what you can say. Correct. They tell you what you can do. They tell you what medications you have to take. It's all socialized medicine. They tell you what to do and what to say and how to think. And they're going to protect you. Protecting someone from cigarettes while you're selling them alcohol is fucking bananas. So dumb. It's bananas. It's dumb. But England has lost their way, man. They've lost their way. [1:52:10] It's a fucking shit show. Well, they're arresting people like crazy for posting on social media about the immigration crisis. [1:52:17] primarily, also other things, but criticizing the government. And now they threw away jury trials for those things. So now it's a judge. And so you don't even get people like you, your peers, to sit there and go, no, this fucking guy shouldn't go to jail. His daughter got attacked by some immigrants, and he said some wild shit about immigrants. And no, he shouldn't be in jail for that. But my thing, like, what's the agenda? Just to ruin it?

[1:52:41] Just ruin the fucking – Control. So shrink you down to 15-minute cities. They're implementing that in part of the UK. The other thing is a digital credit system, right? So a digital credit score, a social score, and some sort of centralized digital currency, which I think we're probably – they're probably going to try to move us all into eventually. But if they can attach your social credit score with this digital currency, then you have what they have in China. [1:53:11] and you do something stupid, guess what, fuckface? You can't buy a plane ticket. That's wild. Yeah, you can't get a loan. You can't get this. You can't get a loan for a house. And it keeps people in line. And then the government can do its job without protests. Dude, can I piss real quick? Let's piss. I've had two fucking energy drinks. Let's go. We'll be right back, folks. [1:53:28] So much better I know it's hard to concentrate when you have to piss Bro you were talking I was like oh man I really want to hear this moment to piss my pants What were we talking about? [1:53:39] Let's talk about your show. [1:53:41] We have Cigar, brother? Yeah. Dude, last time I smoked it backwards, I got roasted so hard online. I know. I didn't notice. [1:53:51] I didn't notice, but maybe I just smoke them backwards from now on. Switch it up. [1:53:57] It is funny, though. But it's really the same. It's just where the label is. Yeah, man. [1:54:02] What are these? I'm a rebel. [1:54:04] Smoke it backwards. You are a rebel. [1:54:08] There you go, fella. Thanks, brother. [1:54:09] I'm not sure.

[1:54:12] Here's the clipper. [1:54:14] You know how this works. [1:54:15] make sure you clip the right spot [1:54:18] That one, there you go. Yeah. This cigar is different because it's not a torpedo like the other one. So the other one, you could get more confused because both ends were pointy. Do you know how to do that? [1:54:30] Do you need help? No, I got a big deal. You're an older, you know what you're doing. No, I'm... Dude, you know what I mean? Cigars I've smoked? Only in here. [1:54:39] Oh, light it. That's right. [1:54:42] Um... [1:54:44] So your show. So your show is on 2B. 2B. Hey, so light this part, yeah? [1:54:51] Well, no, but this part. Yeah, I like that part. It's fucking... Dude, it's... [1:54:55] Tricky, right? No? Just retarded? Light the part that you didn't cut. [1:55:06] What is it called? What's your show called? [1:55:09] Thank you. [1:55:09] Gary Head's Gone Wild. Oh, that's right. Just like Girls Gone Wild. Same text and everything. [1:55:15] Is that a problem? No, hell no. That guy's, I think, fucking on the lam in Mexico. I think we're good. Is he really? Is he hiding? Yeah, I think so. Either way, we're good. Didn't he get kidnapped and they fucking... He had some dicey shit. Yeah, yeah. It turned out pretty sad for him. [1:55:34] It's shit we would be doing anyways, you know? [1:55:39] make a TV show out of it. [1:55:41] So like I went to Calvo, Calvo Vipers. He scared the shit out of me.

[1:55:45] Cowboy Vipers, owned to the biggest Porsche collection in Austin. [1:55:49] I'm obsessed with Safari Porsches, man. Oh, you like those? God, I can't get them. Those off-road ones? I think Russell makes them. [1:55:55] Russell, I forget the exact name, but Russell does it. I don't know what the fuck it is. When it's an off-road, just that vibe, I don't know what it is, dude. I fucking love them, man. Why do you love the off-road one? I don't know. [1:56:10] Is there a dirt track where you could take a Porsche off-road car to? Oh, I'm sure. Where? Especially in California, like Johnson Valley and all that shit. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But out here, there's places out here people have been hitting me up about. Right, but when you go off-roading, generally, you're going off-roading with a truck where you can bounce over rocks and shit. You can't really do that in an off-road Porsche. That's like more for those crazy mountain roads that are in the dirt. Yeah, that's a Jakar, right? Russell Bilt Fab. [1:56:40] That's dope looking. Dude, some dad had one at the baseball game. That's a 993? [1:56:43] Yeah. Oh, wow. So they take a 993 and, ooh, that's pretty. [1:56:52] It's my favorite thing in the world. [1:56:53] I don't know why. Look at the wheel wells. That's crazy. [1:56:58] Wow. Perfect daily driver, too. You don't have to worry about scraping or nothing. I have a fucking problem with those... [1:57:03] extra front headlights they stick on the hood i do not like them i think it fucks up the lines of the car agree you could because you could put those on that front there just take them on the bumper you drive at night in the dark shut the fuck up bitch you ain't really off-road i mean you're off-roading but you're not in the woods oh don't get twisted at night time like all my trucks i have that ram 2500 av that thing's never seen the dirt right but that's different it just

[1:57:33] I agree. I think it's like whenever I see those old 9-11s, like the 1972s, and they have those extra headlights on the hood, I'm like, ew. What are you doing? You're ruining the lines of one of those beautiful creations. Like a bad set of fake tits. You're like, what are you doing? No, it's like extra fake tits. It's like you've got two fake tits on your fucking, yeah. You've got some fucking collarbone tits. Like, get those out of there. They don't belong there. More is not always better. [1:58:03] shape of a Porsche, especially those long nose Porsches. Oh, it's so beautiful. The best. And when you have dumb ass fucking headlights on the hood, like, get that. It's just not meant to be. Yeah. Get out of here. Yeah, I like different shit. I don't like, I agree with those, those headlights do fuck up the lines. But like, the thing I'm really, I'm just into different shit. Like, I like when they swap the LSs in the Porsches too. Oh yeah, that's dope. Yeah. Just the sound. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That chop. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. It's shit like that, man. I like those. A lot of people think that's heretics. [1:58:33] That's like, oh, my God, you should go to jail for that. Oh, dude, I brought a water-cooled LS engine in a Porsche. Bro, this guy's like, he's the head guy for Porsche driving. He's driving me around. And I go, man, you ever driven one of those LS Porsches? And he was like... [1:58:48] what the fuck did you say? I'm like, you don't get down with those? He's like, fuck. No, I'm like, yeah, those are gay. So gay. No, they're awesome. I just like different shit, man. Yeah, Rutledge Wood had one of those. [1:59:00] He had one of those... [1:59:03] What's the fucking Japanese cat that does the Y bodies? Oh, I know what you're talking about. I saw him. RWB? Yes. Yeah. He had one of those with an LS in it.

[1:59:13] That's pretty sick. And there's companies that do that. Yeah. Yeah. They're sick. They're so cool. And it sounds incredible. It sounds like an American muscle car, but yet it's in a car that's like 2,000 pounds. Dude, and all I do is search Facebook Marketplace for RS swap Porsches. God, you can get some good deals because no one really wants them. Isn't that crazy? Yeah. Because everybody wants the air-cooled. Because the air-cooled has that raspy... They are the best. It's a wild... Air-cooled is great. It's a wild sound. That air-cooled sound is a wild sound. [1:59:43] You know, I've had trucks with 1,400 horsepower. I've had cars with 1,100 horsepower. And then if you just get an old school Porsche air-cooled with 250 horsepower manual. It's all you need, dude. They're so fun. As you get older, you're like, oh, why am I chasing this fucking horsepower? Yeah, because it's just about driving enjoyment. It's not about, you're not racing it. No. You know, you're not on a track. Oh, dude, I knew I had issues when I was driving my kid to his fucking baseball game. [2:00:13] And my car was running hot. My TRX, the 1400 horsepower, was running hot. I... [2:00:17] converted to twin turbo hellcat engine it's like 1400 it's running on e85 fuel there's no e85 out there i'm in the middle of fucking like dripping springs i had to pull over on the side of the road because it's the engine was smoking i just went what the fuck am i doing man who am i doing this for it's not like i'm taking it to the track yeah who am i doing this for well a hennessy has a thousand and you can drive it everywhere yeah that's probably the way to do it hennessy trx

[2:00:47] Ram and I linked up with Diesel R and we're doing a Randy's transmission I got a freaking stealth bigger turbo on there fast fuel system oh bro let me get my pants off oh yeah I don't know if you're into that stuff but I'm picking it up today it's finally done dude that sounds fun oh dude I can't fucking wait [2:01:05] That sounds fun. [2:01:08] So the idea is you're just driving around, going to different places, having people do different things with cars – [2:01:15] Yeah. Check out what people are doing. Yep. Different mods are doing. Yeah. And it's like that old school car shows that we grew up on. It'll throw up facts about Porsches or about the car. It'll just pop up with that stuff. And that's like our boys. Gordon Ryan was on there with his TRX. Oh, nice. He has like 120,000 miles on it. [2:01:33] Does he really? Dude, that thing's so busted up, but he just drives it every day. He off-roads it. He just – we go in his car. I'm like, dude, I said – no, go ahead. I'm going to tell you the same thing I tell everybody when I get in the car with them. [2:01:46] I know it's for TV. I don't need to show off. Nobody's trying to get hurt. He's like, I got you, man. And was just fucking ripping this thing, dude. I'm like, I flipped one of these things, man. It ain't fun, bud. It ain't fun. But it's, yeah, just shit we like, you know? And then someone's like, you want to do a TV show? I'm like, yeah, let's ride, man.

[2:02:07] But I don't know any women. I mean, I'm sure they're out there. But I don't know any women that are into cars the way we're into cars. No. No. [2:02:13] No. [2:02:14] Some of them like cars. They're into it. For me, that is one of the one things about having some money. [2:02:24] that is worth it. [2:02:25] Like I always tell people, having a nice house is great. It is great. There's definitely nothing wrong with having a nice house. But after a while, it just becomes your house. Yes. And if you're in a humble house that has a nice kitchen and a big TV and a couch and a nice bed to sleep on, [2:02:39] You're set. You're kind of set. Yeah. Like, the difference in the way you feel when you're home versus a nice house is not much different. Okay. The difference in driving a nice car is, like, you are taking a ride to work. You are at Disneyland. Yes. You would wait in line to get in that car. And you're boom, boom. And you're fucking shifting your own gears. [2:03:04] Woo! It's fun. And the shit you have, dude. [2:03:09] different tax brackets you know i gotta do my thing on facebook marketplace and shit i picked up tires the other day he goes holy shit brendan shop buys tires on facebook marketplace yeah dude who doesn't want a fucking deal man put those in the back for me dude but uh yeah you got one of those poor i think it's your gunther porsche yes and you took a picture of you're like dude i'll just sit in my garage and stare at him like dude i've never i do i stare at it sometimes sit in the

[2:03:39] When I see that type of Porsche, like the Gunther work, or I'll see a certain car, I'm just like – I can't even describe the – it's like – [2:03:49] Fuck, dude. That is so sick. Yeah. Did you see the Gunther Works made a twin turbo slant nose? I sent it to you. Peter Nam sent it to me too. Bro. The owner of the company sent it to me. Oh, you know him? Yeah. [2:04:03] Well, I bought it off him. I bought one off him. Not that. Not the Slant Nose. I didn't know if you're dealing with, like, customer service. No, no, I deal with Peter. He's awesome. But that's it. That car is insane. They raced that one against a GT3 RS, and it... [2:04:17] Buried it. [2:04:18] Buried it. No. She's the 3RS. Buried it. Yeah. [2:04:22] They did some rolling race from 30 miles an hour, and literally it just shot ahead like the other car was parked. 1,067 horsepower? It weighs nothing. It weighs nothing. What does it weigh? [2:04:37] Please search what does the slant-nosed Gunther Works way. Because they're carbon fiber. [2:04:45] 100%. [2:04:46] They're carbon fiber. 2,000-something. [2:04:49] Yeah. Yeah, I bet it's about 2,400 pounds. 2,700. 2,700. So it's close. But the engine's probably super heavy. [2:04:58] Well, I don't know if it's super heavy, but there's a lot of jazz in there. But what engine are... is it the... [2:05:04] I think it's a... Four liter, twin turbo, flat six. [2:05:07] Yeah, and it's air-cooled.

[2:05:09] which is so nuts. [2:05:12] A thousand horsepower flat car. [2:05:15] uh, [2:05:15] six air-cooled engine is crazy. [2:05:19] And people, everyone, like you talked to anyone, like I want 1,000 horsepower. You think you want 1,000 horsepower. Now, it's not like your ZRX, ZR1X. It's not like that. Like if you buy it or like at my Demon 170. From the factory. From the factory, you're good. When you have a TRX or your Corvette or, you know, I've had other trucks, my Ford Lightning. If you're reaching 1,000 horsepower, buddy, you think you want those problems. You do not. Right. It's a fucking nightmare. [2:05:49] somebody doing something, I'm like, this is exhausting. Well, this won't be like that. Like the Gunther Works ones are reliable. I've never had a problem. No, those are great. But the question is, does that have any traction control? [2:06:00] Hopefully not. [2:06:05] Jamie, could you please look up whether or not these new Gunther Works Porsches have traction control? I don't know. They can do that now. I know they can do it. There's like a computer thing that you could buy. Is Gunther in California? Where are they at? I believe so. Yeah. 99% sure they were in California. Dude, you should connect with him because I'd love doing an episode with him. [2:06:23] A wooden shift knob pays tribute to the Porsche's motorsport carriage. Modern electronics like motorsports grade ABS and traction control. Oh, okay. Well, that's good. It's nice that it has ABS, too. That's dope. You're going to need it. You're going, fuck, yeah, you're going to need it. But see if you can find the race between the GT3 RS and the slant nose. Bro, it is hilarious. That's crazy. And the sound it makes is orgasmic. I can't imagine how much that thing is. Wonderful. Oh, it's got to be a million dollars. Yeah. Yeah.

[2:06:53] My problem with Porsche is even 20 years ago, my very first car I bought when I had money, I got it from podcast places 15 years ago. I bought just your base 911. Went to the Porsche dealer, bought a base 911. I could afford it. It was, I don't know, 80 grand. [2:07:10] now porsche [2:07:12] It's almost like what Ferrari was 10 years ago where just the base Porsche is so expensive, man. It's pricing out their market. So now it's become – and we've been on Porsche for how long? Like we've always talked about Porsche. Forever. It's our shit. [2:07:26] Watch this. Oh, my God. It's Top Gear. Oh, it's Top Gear. Yeah. Great channel. Yes. So these guys, they do a rolling start. I guess they did a rolling start because they didn't want to dump the clutch on this million-dollar car. Way safer to do it that way. Watch this. When they get to 30. Look at that interior, dude. Watch this. Go. [2:07:50] Bro. It's not even fucking close. It's not even close. [2:07:56] Not even close. That's insane. And the GT3 RS is a fast car. Fast motherfucking car. But this was not his car. Obviously, this is, you know, someone else's car that they're letting him test. [2:08:09] And so whoever... [2:08:10] bought that car and spent a million dollars. How much did they cost? 1.2. 1.2 million dollars. Yeah, again, that's my only issue with Porsche now is because if you want a GT3 RS, they're so expensive now, man. It's like... Well, people flip them. Oh, yeah. A lot of people flip them because they're really hard to get, too. Yeah. Yeah. It's just... A lot of demand for them. Yeah, it's tough. Yeah. Back in the day, even if you're a Porsche, you could start somewhere and you'd be okay. And now it's almost like Ferrari where it's unattainable for a lot of people. Well, you know what a lot of people are doing? 1.6.

[2:08:40] Thank you. [2:08:41] It's $400,000 more. [2:08:43] 1.6 million. That car is? Yeah. 1.6 is crazy. Worth every penny. [2:08:47] If you got that loop. If you got that loop. Please buy it. One of the things that people are doing is taking that lighter weight Porsche 911T. Yes. You know the T? Yep. And they're taking that and juicing it up to like 700 plus horsepower and putting some mods on it. Now you're talking my language. Yeah, because you can do that for way less than it would cost you to buy a twin turbo. Yeah. And you're getting the same kind of speed, but you're also getting rear wheel drive. Yep. [2:09:14] And you can get them for pretty – I don't want to say cheap, but cheaper. Cheaper. It's so tough, man, to get some of those – like the GT3 RSs, you got to be allocated or it's like 150 over markup. It's tough these days in the Porsche business. They're crushing it. It's good for them. But again, for my kids, hopefully they're fortunate enough where they're making good money. But it's going to be really tough to get in a Porsche, man. It's just different. Porsche has become the marquee car when back in the day it wasn't that. It wasn't. [2:09:44] No. It used to be much more affordable. It was the more affordable supercar, a daily driving supercar. [2:09:52] The market – and it's also things change, right, because now everything is twin-turbo. They're all twin-turbo. Yep. Unless you buy a GT3, they're twin-turbo. Yep. [2:10:01] I think, too, one of the reasons I went away from the Exotic, because I even modded my GT2 RS. I'm an idiot. But it loses value in them. When you mod them. When you mod them. It fucks them up. And I just can't leave anything alone. So that's why I went so heavy into American shit. Because the C6s, all the American stuff, you can mod the fuck out of. And there's a market there. You're not losing your ass. And they're cheaper to mod. When I would mod a Ferrari, buddy.

[2:10:29] exhaust whatever the fuck turbos if you want to do a tune it's a fucking nightmare man night yeah well it's all to me it's all about enjoyment right and so like what do you what do you what are you getting out of it if you're not like racing it and trying to go around corners sideways and fucking correcting and you're not really doing that with most cars you're just enjoying it when you're [2:10:55] I love the feel of a V8. Like, I have one of those Shelby Super Snakes. Yeah. It's a six-speed. Didn't you get the Super Snake R? It hasn't got it yet. It's on the way. [2:11:08] Whee! [2:11:10] I fucking love that car because it's a modern muscle car. Driving it is like driving an old school muscle car but it's all modern. And [2:11:18] Perfect. Starts every time. Interior is great. Love that car. And it's just the fun of just driving normal speed. Just normal speed. Just driving to work. Not speeding. Just... You feel like you're doing something fun. And do you get that same excitement in your ZR1X? No. [2:11:36] No, it's not the same. The ZR1X is on another planet. It's a spaceship. I mean, it's the most capable car I've ever driven by far. Like, when I took the ZR1 around the racetrack, we drove it around Coda, I was like, this thing is crazy. It's so fast, and it handles so well, and it gives you so much confidence. But it's different when you're not... [2:11:56] You're not shifting your own gears. You're not using the clutch. It's all about that. The driving experience is about engagement. And if you're not using a manual, you're missing – you're going to have fun. Don't get me wrong. You get a Corvette, you're going to have a lot of fun. It's a great car. But shifting your own – they finally started making a gear – a manual transmission for the C8.

[2:12:21] Really? Yeah. Is the Grand Sport coming in the manual? I don't think it's going to be offered by Corvette. I don't know if there are in the future, but you can buy one now. So see what the company is that does that. But it's a famous transmission company that's making a C8 manual transmission. And everybody saw that and was like, oh. Because that's the only knock I've heard on actual car guys with ZR1X. They go, fast as fuck. It's great. But it's kind of doing it for you. The drive's different. [2:12:51] Like it's so – It's a spaceship. It's a spaceship. You're Luke Skywalker. Yes. Does not offer a manual – Tremec. Okay, Tremec has developed a six-speed manual that fits a C8. [2:13:02] GM considers it not real for production. [2:13:05] What does that mean? But Tremec makes it. But they make it. Yeah. Are they selling it? Is Tremec not selling it? Or did they make it just for funsies? [2:13:12] I have no idea. Because Tremec made the transmission on my SuperSnap. Tremec is great. They make the best transmissions. Tremec's new six-speed manual transaction opens the door from manual swap vets and other creations. They can do it. This is what I would do. [2:13:26] What I would do... [2:13:28] is get a Z06. [2:13:31] and put a fucking manual in it. Now we're cooking. Let's go. Let's fucking go. Now you have literally the ultimate Corvette. I get that Z06 and that orange. There's no word yet on price, timeline, or who's going to cook up the software to tell the Corvette to cooperate with a three-pedal transmission. That is the problem. Because you're going to have to. And the ECU. Yeah. That's a big problem. [2:13:50] Yeah. Like the biggest problem I've had is with the ECU. People don't realize, you know, the guys who do all the mods they do, but it's like I got a 2024 Ram and right away I'm like, all right, what mods am I going to do? I'm talking to Randy's Transmission, Banks. I'm talking to my boys at Diesel R and they're like, you got a 2024? I'm like, yeah. What's up? Low miles, man. Like, I fucked up. I'm like, what?

[2:14:12] Why? Because 2024 and up, there's no way to unlock that ECU. [2:14:19] Like we have to find an ECU from a 2022 or earlier. And I'm like, okay, those can't be expensive. Oh, they're blood diamonds because everybody wants that. You're looking at $7,000 for an unlocked ECU? [2:14:34] Just the ECU? That's not adding any power. That's just to get it so you can add the power. Oh, my God. That's crazy. And then Diesel R, they were like, dude, we have one. I'm like, no fucking way. Well, how about this new law that they just passed? Yeah. [2:14:46] where your car is going to monitor you, and then they're going to have a kill switch in your car. [2:14:52] So to keep people from drinking and driving, or if maybe they don't like what Brendan Shaw posted on Twitter, just fucking shut your car down. I think that's even more reason to buy old shit. Yeah. A lot of reason to buy old shit. Put that, please, into perplexity and ask them when this law is being passed. [2:15:11] And what the law entails. Because I've been hearing a lot of different versions of it. I want to know what the exact version of it is. It's going to pass in California first. Well, it's passed nationwide. And Thomas Massey voted against it. And I think Fetterman might have voted against it too. I'm not sure. Real federal mandate tied to 2027 model year cars. It's about impaired driving detection. [2:15:36] Yeah, but this is how it starts. The problem is if it has a kill switch. Ask if it has a kill switch, if that's part of it.

[2:15:46] Right. [2:15:47] Okay, why people call it a kill switch? Because the system may be able to prevent the engine from starting or shut down performance if it decides you're impaired. [2:15:56] So that's a kill switch. [2:15:57] So that is... [2:15:59] is great if you're preventing someone from drinking and driving. That is not great. [2:16:04] If you are... [2:16:06] Nick Fuentes, you're in your car. But that's the Trojan horse. They get you in with that. It's for safety. That's the thing. May is a key word in there. May be able. Well, the thing about that is I think they already have that with the Corvette. [2:16:20] I think with OnStar, if someone steals your car, you can shut it down. Right. That's the security. [2:16:27] If you have a Corvette and Brendan Chavez running from the law and you're trying to get to Canada... [2:16:33] But can't they do that with your Teslas? [2:16:36] Uh, that's probably, I mean, it's a computer. It's a computer. Of course they probably can do that. [2:16:42] I'm really bummed out that Tesla has canceled the Model S. Jamie and I were just talking about it before the show. Oh, they could all go away, and I wouldn't give two fucks. I know he's your boy, but I just don't care. Shut your mouth. Do your thing. I drive it all the time. I love it. With all the cars you have. I love it. It's the one thing I might care. I love it. Listen, I love V8s. Look, I drove my Raptor here. The Raptor's badass. A fanboy would say they just can be replaced by that Roadster that they haven't shown yet. Yeah, but the Roadster's a two-seater. My car is a four-seater T-S. [2:17:12] Four-door car that goes zero to 60 in under two seconds. Well, why would they get rid of it? I've never had four people in my car. You never were? I've never had four people in my car. Okay, you haven't. So the other day, I had to pick up my daughter because she was being driven, and the car they were driving got a flat, and I was on my way home at the exact same time, and I picked her up and her friends. Yeah, that's dope. So I had three friends in the back seat, one in the front. Yeah. I got everybody in my car, no problem, and I got everybody in my car.

[2:17:42] I like having a four-door. I have a family. I know you're a single guy. Like, for you, a Roadster would be fine. That's just a zip-dazz, you know. Not for you. It's a small little car anyway. I think the X is pretty dope, too. They also cancel the X. I know. The X is dope. I actually like that. Tiffany Haddish had one, and she showed me that they could dance in the parking lot. I've already seen that video. I was like, this is crazy. This is crazy. I only do four. I don't have anything two-door anymore because of kiddos. [2:18:06] For adults with Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms, every choice matters. [2:18:13] Tremphaya offers self-injection or intravenous infusion from the start. Tremphaya is administered as injections under the skin or infusions through a vein every four weeks, followed by injections under the skin every four or eight weeks. If your doctor decides that you can self-inject Tremphaya, proper training is required. [2:18:36] Crohn's disease and adults with moderately to severely active ulcerative colitis. Serious allergic reactions, increased risk of infections or lower ability to fight them and liver problems may occur. Before treatment, get checked for infections and tuberculosis. Tell your doctor if you have an infection, flu-like symptoms or need a vaccine. Explore what's possible. Ask your doctor about Trimphia today. Call [redacted phone] to learn more or visit trimphiaradio.com. [2:19:06] This podcast is brought to you by Carvana. Selling your car should feel like one less thing on your list, not one more. With Carvana, it is. Just go to Carvana.com, enter your license plate or VIN, and get a real offer down to the penny. No back and forth, no surprises, just an experience you can trust. Like your offer? Accept it. Schedule a pickup, and we'll come to you with a check in hand. Your car, your timeline, your terms. Visit Carvana.com to sell your car today. Carvana. Pickup fees may apply.

[2:19:36] I just try to create the most badass dad whip I can. It has to have four doors. Well, I mean, I have two-door cars, but I always have to have a sedan. I like a sedan. Your kids are older, though, too. If I didn't have a Tesla and I had a sedan, what I would get is the Cadillac, the CT5 V Blackwing. Let's preach. And you can get a manual. You can get the new one. The F1 is only in manuals. The highest horsepower, 685. [2:20:02] I don't know why I couldn't say that word. 685 horsepower. I know you do. [2:20:07] We both suffer from marble mouth. Brother. 685 horsepower, and it's only manual. Take my fucking mind. I want an automatic. I think so. If it's that. Yeah, manual sounds fun, but if you're driving it all the time, it can do... Especially if you live in LA. Yeah. Depending on where you live in. [2:20:25] Jamie, that could be you, bud. Like, we were just in New Jersey. Bro, that's you, Jamie. I'm not saying it's a bad car. I'm just like, I'm going to drive it 10 miles a day. He does. It's an awesome 10 miles. No, it's not. Dude, the feeling in that car with the torque and the sound of the engine. Can't go anywhere on 35 in traffic. Give me some fucking volume. Let's be honest driving. Jamie's not wanting this car. Yeah, well, Jamie's not really a car guy. Well, it's very, very good. I drive it to the golf course, but, like, once a week. How much better you play? [2:20:55] And the sound, look at that fucking carbon around it. Me or a drive? Me or a drive? Here it is. Drive it, bitch. Let's go. How do you react to that? Why would they do this to me? Why would you have a video of this and not have...

[2:21:14] Yeah, you want to sell cars or not? Play it for me, please. [2:21:19] Here it is. Just click that, though. That's the black one. Oh, there we go. Oh, my dick just got hard. And we can spice that up, Jamie. You sent it to me for a day, Bubba. That's fine. The way it comes from the factory is fine. I got to do a damn thing. I know. We're in Texas. You can get it really loud. But the thing is, just that alone. There we go. Come on, dog. [2:21:47] Yeah. All right. I mean, it's not bad. Yay! He's in. Yes. [2:21:54] Dude, you don't understand. Oh, cammed up, baby. I feel, oh, that's a cammed up one. That one's nuts. That's what you want. Oh, there's a lot of mods. Dudes jack those up above 1,000 all the time. All right. Oh, that's going to get robbed out here then. [2:22:07] No, Bubba. No, come on. Texas. No. Where are you parking? You wanted to get it or buy crack? I don't drive anywhere. Where's he going? Come on, dude. He's buying crack. You live in a nice place. I don't need it. Are you buying crack? She got covered parking. You don't need it, but it's fun. I just think of Gone in 60 Seconds. When you've got a dope car and people know you've got a dope car and you're seeing driving that dope car, they're going to follow you in that dope car. Our friend, he got followed. What's wrong with you, Jake? Yeah, shit's going to happen. I don't need that. [2:22:37] Tesla. He was in Dallas buying tacos at three in the morning. There's a million Teslas all over the place. And he's got a Ferrari. I drive crazy shit. Ferrari is different than a Cadillac.

[2:22:46] I've never had any issues, especially out here. No, you can catch an issue every now and then, but the thing about Texas is everybody's armed. Like, you can't just roll up on someone and try to take their car. You're risking your fucking life. It happened on Fifth Street a block away from the club not too long ago. So you're downtown? Yeah, right in front of EDs. People get carjacked in every city. That's a fact. That's why I sound like having targets. Not where I live. Come on over to the burbs, dude. So you think if you have, like, one of them Cybertruck. [2:23:16] an SUV. Maybe. Allegedly. That would be cool. [2:23:19] Elon won't tell me. He won't tell me shit. He won't tell you? I got a big fucking mouth. There's online people have showed things, but we don't really know. What have they showed? Potential. It looks a little bit like the mix between an X and a Cybertruck. See, that would be a smart move for them to make a Cybertruck that's an SUV. It's a smart move because you already have the shape. Just instead of having the pickup truck part where no one's using. Yeah, extend the seats. Yeah, have the seats back more. [2:23:46] And you could even shorten the wheelbase a little bit and make it like, you know, like one of the smaller Cadillac SUVs. You could. Or you could just say, fuck all that noise and get a Hellcat Durango. Because Stellantis does Hellcat's back, baby. Those are pretty dope. Hellcat Durango's pretty dope. The godfather of Hellcat, Tim, is back running fucking Dodge. Yes. Thank God. Thank fucking God. Dodge is crushing it. They got silly with that electric thing. They had some French guy running it. Is that what it was? Yeah, and killed all. He hates America. [2:24:14] That's what it was. Boom. He wanted to destroy America. Facts. And he went "Polotan to beat Srogan." It was like the most iconic movie.

[2:24:23] American V8 powered cars were Dodge. Dodge Viper, well that's a V10. Dodge Viper, you had, but just big engines, right? You had gasoline engines, you had of course the Challenger, Challenger Hellcat, Hellcat Red Eye. They crushed it. They crushed it. [2:24:41] Are they going to discontinue the challenger? [2:24:44] No, they're coming out with a gas Challenger. So they fucked up and came out with a Challenger all electric and a Charger. Wasn't it a Charger? And a Challenger, too. They both, right? You can't change. They're coming out with a Charger that's gas-powered. Yeah, the Charger's dope. I've seen some reviews of it. It's dope. It's dope. And it's fast. Fast as fuck. [2:25:06] Here. [2:25:09] Now we're talking, Jamie. What do you mean with that? This. Okay. [2:25:14] Look at that, Jamie. Here you go. Yeah, now we're talking. The Durango kept Dodge and Float. That's what you need, Jamie. You need a goddamn V8. You're going to come in here with a fucking hairy chest? Fuck yeah, dude. Goddamn American. Yeah. That's what you need. That's it. Forget the Cadillac. We're on to this now. We're on to this. We're on to this. That's what you need. This is awesome. People love these. This is a robbery car, the Trackhawk. That's why I'm off of that. Trackhawks are great, dude. There's not that many of them. [2:25:44] Okay. How about you get a Hennessy and tell him to leave the badges off? Hennessy's are so fucking sick. Just have Hennessy do it and leave the badges off. Bro, did you see? It just looks like a regular one, a sleeper. I'd just be worried the whole time. Oh, my God. What world are you living in? Dude, did you see Hennessy did a Super Duty? Hennessy finally did a fourth Super Duty? Yeah. Fuck, I love it. Hennessy does dope shit, dude. They do dope Mustangs. They do dope Cadillacs. They take the Blackwing and fucking... See, that's why with Tubi, it was like, let's see how these four episodes go.

[2:26:14] Do you know John? [2:26:15] Me and him had a conversation. You should do a show with him. He's great. I want to do a show with him. I want to go to Gunther. Yeah. But John's great. He's up the fucking road. He's great. [2:26:23] I can connect you with him. He's a good dude. He's a friend of mine. Me and him had a combo because when I was building my Raptor to get to 1,400 horsepower, I called him. [2:26:30] Well, I'll hook you up with Gunther, too. They're great. Peter's very cool, too. Sarango smokes his track hawk. Yeah, dude. [2:26:39] Oh, the Durango with the Hellcat? Yeah. He's trying a little faster if he smokes. [2:26:44] Yeah. And that's probably not a Hennessy one. Well, it doesn't matter. I mean... [2:26:49] They put a Hellcat in one of those fucking things. You're dealing with insane horsepower. It's so much horsepower. They're awesome, Jamie. And it sounds incredible. The red interior, it's fucking awesome. Well, we're salespeople. We're selling Dodge to Jamie. That actually might have been the Trackhawk on the right. Okay. Whichever one it was. Either way, pick your poison. Just fucking get one. I would 100% drive one of those. 100%. I'll get you. I might get one, too, if you get one. Shit. Let's go. You need to charge it. Let's go. Charge it. How dare you. [2:27:19] Son of a bitch. You know what, man? He's not wrong, though, with the way gas prices are. I talked to Tim Dillon today. I was on the phone with him when I came to the studio. He told me that gas is $7.90 a gallon in L.A. right now. And that's down from what it was. I was out there a month shooting a commercial, and it was up to $8.40 something. Here's what I don't understand. [2:27:39] Are we getting oil from Iran? No. That's what maybe three or four percent. So are they just fucking us? Yeah, they just know. Oh, Americans know if we go to war, we can increase the gas price. So we just go along with it. Is that real? Or is it global prices went up because some of the gas can't get to where it needs to go? And so they need to make that money. So they just fuck you.

[2:28:04] Isn't it funny? They're like, we're going to make money no matter what. The American people are going to lose money, so we make the same amount of money. Fuck you. You need oil. [2:28:13] My whole thing is even like when we go to war, people are like, yeah, they're just doing it for money. It's like, how much fucking money do they need? [2:28:20] They're all rich anyway. American gas prices are rising mainly because crude oil has become more expensive due to the war with Iran and disruptions in global oil supply plus normal seasons and cost factors in refining, distribution, and taxes. Biggest driver, crude oil in the Iran war. But what if we got all our oil from America? Which we can do. Well, if we did that, why would oil go up? Because American fuel prices are tied to the global oil market. We would just start selling it. That's – [2:28:48] Stupid. Yeah, but they're a bunch of crooks. They're a bunch of crooks. We should have a national oil company. [2:28:57] And only sell in America. Keep it in-house. So no matter what... [2:29:03] Right there. Foul shit we do outside the world. [2:29:07] Yeah. Even though the U.S. is the world's largest oil producer, companies can sell oil on the global market to whoever pays the highest price. And it fucks us. High world prices still translate into high domestic gas prices. Hey, Mr. President, please fix that. Fucking tax him. I don't know if he can do that. They'll kill him. [2:29:25] They tried to kill him three times already. [2:29:26] You try to fuck with that oil money, and all of a sudden, President J.D. is crying on TV. I'm going to miss Donald. He was a great mentor to me, and though I didn't always agree with everything he said, and I wish he didn't post that picture of him as Jesus. Dude, what the fuck are you doing? Hey, you know what's crazy to me is there's been like three legit assassination attempts.

[2:29:51] And it's in the news two, three days. And we're just like, yeah, it's crazy. And we move on. Well, there was another one that barely made the news where a guy showed up and tried to attack J.D. Yeah. [2:30:00] You remember that guy? No. Yeah, see? I know. I'm part of the problem. This guy showed up, I think it was at the White House. I think some guy showed up at the White... You see this guy who just got killed or got shot in Cambridge? So this guy... [2:30:16] He had a shootout with the cops three years ago, went to jail for three years, got out and was walking on the street in Cambridge, just unloading his gun on passerbys. Yeah, just shooting random people on the street. This guy had gotten a shootout with the cops and only did three years. That's insane, dude. [2:30:37] He got to shoot out with the cops. I think 20 bullets were exchanged, and he only did three years. Bro, here's the other problem. I saw they took a, again, whoever's doing these polls, you got to be an idiot to get stopped on the street. Look at this guy. This is wild. He's just walking down the street shooting at cars. [2:30:53] Bro, by the way... [2:30:54] I'm running that guy over. Oh, a thousand percent. Especially if I'm in my Toyota, my Land Cruiser, where I know it's not going to mess up my car. [2:31:03] That's insane. Meanwhile, if I was in Cambridge, though, I'd probably go to jail for life. 100% you're fucked. Yeah. For defending the public. [2:31:09] But I saw a survey that said one in four Americans think the assassination attempts on the president are fake. [2:31:16] I don't know. [2:31:17] I wonder what percentage think the world's flat. [2:31:19] One in four.

[2:31:22] The people that thought that the Butler, Pennsylvania one was staged don't know anything about guns. That's a fact. I don't know anybody who knows anything about guns that thinks that the president would let some guy nick his ear with a bullet. So dumb. That is – and the guy behind him, the firefighter who lost his life, that guy got shot by a bullet that was intended for Trump. And then there's a photo of a bullet whizzing by his face. [2:31:47] Anybody that thinks that that's staged is out of their fucking mind. Or the guy that the correspondence dinner who rushed in. Yeah. They think that's fake. And it's like, hold on. So you think this guy who's a teacher educated, clearly kind of has shit together through his life. [2:32:02] Well, Tim Burchette, who I had on the podcast, the congressman, he thinks that guy was like some sort of an MKUltra type deal. [2:32:10] And he says he thinks they still do that. He thinks someone's still doing that. I've always thought that. I'm not trying to steal. I'm sure he has way better points than me. But if they did MKUltra all those years ago, when you go through the list of Charles Mance and the Unabomber, you think it stopped? Right. And you don't think they've gotten better with it? Exactly. [2:32:28] So you just think they're like, okay, the public knows we're going to shut this down. No, dude. Yeah. They just – they expand. It gets better and better and better. For sure they're still doing that, and that could have been Thomas Crooks too, the guy who tried to shoot – [2:32:41] Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. Yep. That one was weird as fuck. That one's so weird because that guy's house was professionally scrubbed. He didn't even have silverware there. He had no online activity. He had no social media. Blackrock ties. Have you heard anything about him? Nope. Gone. How weird is that dude?

[2:33:00] What about the Charlie Kirk guy? What about the guy who killed Charlie? Right. We haven't heard one interview with him. Is that not weird, dude? It's super weird. Nearly one-third of Americans, 30%, believe that at least one of the three attempts on Donald President's life over the last two years were staged. [2:33:16] Wow. For each attempted assassination, a majority of Americans said either that it was staged or that they were not sure. [2:33:24] 54% said they either thought it was staged or not sure. And that's the problem. Only 38% of Americans believe all three assassination attempts were authentic. This is TikTok. It's fucking ruining people's brains. That's the fucking problem. Rotting their fucking brains out from inside their heads. I know. It's not good, dude. Meanwhile, you go on Chinese TikTok. It's all like traditional dance and martial arts. They built it. Science projects. Yeah. It shuts down for kids after 10 p.m. Yeah. And like Americans have fun. Yeah. [2:33:54] They're doing such a great job. And then they sold it, right? So they sold it to that American company, and they're just going to continue doing what the Chinese did and make the most amount of money, which is rotting people's brains out. Don't give a fuck. Wouldn't it be dope if this American company that bought it said, hey, there's clearly a problem with how things are emphasized and what your algorithm shows you, and what we're going to do is promote – [2:34:18] Like exceptional people doing exceptional things. Don't you think they would get more users? Because as a dad, I'd be like, okay, you guys can have TikTok. There's some rules there. It's an educational thing. Now, not a fucking chance, dude. No, it wouldn't get more. It would go right over to Instagram.

[2:34:37] Instagram's all assassinations. What if they did across the board? [2:34:40] you would have to have no one cross that picket line and they all would because people are addicted to watching fucked up street fights and crazy things now. Like my algorithm is all like people fighting in parking lots and there's so much of that. Man, mine's just trucks, cars and fucking fights. On Instagram? Yeah. So my problem is me and Segura – [2:35:04] Every day, send each other the worst thing, what we find online. I don't want to start my day like that. I don't either. I don't either, but it's too late. But that's the only time I'm going to Instagram now. The only time, and then I'll check my emails occasionally. You've kind of gotten off of it, right? Yeah. It's so much better. It feels so much better. [2:35:22] I go in occasionally and check Twitter to see what the news is, like what's trending. You're not like reading the comments and all that shit or mentions. And I don't even go into the news feed because I used to go into the news feed, but now I find things about me all the time. I don't want to hear what a douchebag I am. That's a bummer. Like, come on. I'm not here for that. I know. It sucks. So I can't avoid people getting mad at me or even saying nice things about me. I don't want to read that. No. [2:35:52] what the news is. So then I'll click on like, what the fuck is going on? And I'll check that out. Like that's how I found out about this guy with the gun. And you feel so much better, right? Way better. But I, I'm also more often than not now, not going there for my news. And I've kind of curated my Google news feed smart to be much more interesting. Like I get more stories and it'll show me stories from X. Yeah. So then I can decide whether or not I want to actually open up X to read the story. And did you stop drinking too? I did. And then I went back.

[2:36:22] I'm back. How back are you? [2:36:24] Not back crazy, but I'll have a couple of drinks every now and then. I haven't gotten drunk since I've been back. Dude, I've been sober over two years now. That's not. Almost three. Yeah. [2:36:33] Feel good? [2:36:34] Feel great. Never been in better shape. [2:36:36] Yeah, it's definitely better for you. But I do like a glass of wine or two with dinner. And I do like a drink or two with the boys when we're at the club every now and then. But I just, I was doing it too much. Me too. And then I recognized, and so I stopped. [2:36:48] Yeah, it wasn't benefiting me. And then also I have addictive personality. Like if I do something, I've got to be all in. Like on cars, like literally one day I woke up and I'm like, I don't need 11 cars. And half of them are trucks and they're all the same. [2:37:03] It's just like when I get into something, I get so into it. But as I'm getting older, I'm getting better at checking myself. Good. [2:37:09] That's good. Getting better at that is very important to managing your life. It's really important. It's growing up. Well, it's also just realizing that there's some addictions that are just not beneficial at all, and then other ones that are really beneficial. So just get addicted to doing things that are good for you. Yeah. Facts. But that's the problem is that a lot of people can't regulate their addictions well. [2:37:33] They're just not good at it. [2:37:35] They just get caught up and, you know, it could be anything. [2:37:39] Preach. That's me. Yeah. But it's also that same thing is what causes people to get good at stuff. Correct. Which is weird. If you show me a dude who can't get addicted to anything, there's not one thing that is taking up too much of your time. I probably can't hang out with you. And it's not good.

[2:37:57] Yeah, not good. Yeah, because that same obsession is what led me, got me to the UFC or football. Exactly. Exactly. Like being all in on something, I think, is where that's where obsession can lead. The scary one for me, I think, not for me personally, but when I see it is gambling. Super scary. Because I see people that are really rich, not just Dana, but other people that I know that are really rich that gamble big numbers. [2:38:27] money to gamble and stuff and i was like i don't like that like that doesn't you get your rocks off in other ways i think for those like super rich people like that's kind of like they can buy any car they can buy any house or go on any trip in order to get their rocks off that's how they do it yeah but it has to be it has to be a big number for them to feel it the juice has to be so high if they bet a hundred bucks on something they don't even know that doesn't mean they might not even cash that ticket like they don't feel it you know how you and i are [2:38:57] Do your kiddos have that? Do you see it in anything? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. In a positive way? Super driven, but it's very positive. Kids imitate the atmosphere that they grow up in. And if your parents have a hard work ethic and they're disciplined and they're kind, generally speaking, that's how your kids come out. Yeah. I think that. So when I see shitty kids, I generally, genuinely think that it's – at least part of it is from the parents. Dude, I coach my son's baseball and football teams.

[2:39:27] Thank you. [2:39:27] Dude. And I try to talk to the dads because most of them respect me. So I'll go, hey, can I give you some advice, man? You got to back off, dude. But they can't. [2:39:37] They can't. They can't. You'd have to change who they are. And I tell them, I'm like – [2:39:41] I'm trying to help you out here. [2:39:44] You love baseball, whatever. You love football. Your son has told me he wants to quit. [2:39:50] Now, the reason he wants to quit is because you've made it not fun. He used to love this game. When I first got here, nothing he loved more than football. Now he wants to quit because you've made it a job for him. You fucked up, dude. And who's it going to affect? A, it's going to suck for him because he likes football. You're not going to be able to watch your kid play football, dude. Because you decide to make it not fun. You're going to fuck up your relationship with your kid. Facts. I don't force my kids into doing it, other than they have to go to school. I don't force my kids into doing anything they don't want to do. [2:40:20] They're not interested in it. You don't have to do it. But find something you are interested in. That's my thing. Whatever you're into, let's ride. I don't give a fuck what it is. Just so happens it's baseball, football. Cool. Let's ride, man. Yeah, but you have a great personality for that and that you're very encouraging in your kids, but you're not. [2:40:35] You're not – it's not you thinking that like your self-worth is not tied up to your kids' performance. No, not at all. You just want your kids to have fun. Yep. [2:40:45] The problem is with some people, their kid is almost like their racehorse or something. You know what I mean? Like it's like their whole personality gets wrapped around their kid being an elite athlete. Brother, and now it's worse because especially on base, right? It's like it's a business now. It's over a billion-dollar business. So now it's like there's these travel ball. When I was a kid, you have to be really fucking good. Well, now every parent wants to say their kid's travel ball. So there's the majors, and there's two teams at the majors.

[2:41:15] 3AA, 3AA, 3AA. I don't need the best 10-year-old. I just want him playing. He made the Majors team. I don't give a fuck if it's Majors, AAA, Wreck. [2:41:25] We're playing wherever. Have fun. Have fun. And apply yourself to something. And apply yourself. And I don't give a fuck what level we're at. We'll play it all. And some of the parents, I'll come back from a tournament, they'll be like, oh, you played double A? I'm like. [2:41:40] Yet space bomb it. [2:41:42] You think he can only play majors? So what, I can sit around the water cooler and brag to you guys? I don't give a fuck. Isn't it crazy that people will talk down about a kid who's not playing as good as other kids? Oh, it's wild, dude. But, you know... [2:41:56] That's like stage moms. [2:41:59] You know, there's a thing like that with actors. To your point, Danny's tied up in there. But what they don't realize is they're fucking it all up. Oh, yeah. It's all going to get fucked up. I've seen that with a lot of young actors where their parents were like super involved in their career. And then the kid just did not want to do it anymore. And generally, like I've seen it a few times. And one of them that I know really well where the parents stole money from the kid. Fuck, dude. Yeah, he stole like $6 million. Jesus Christ. I'll tell you who it is after the show. That's terrible. Oh, it's awful. It's awful. [2:42:29] Devastated him to find out. But it's like that's what they're doing. They're using the kid as a piggy bank. They quit working. They relied entirely on the kid. And the kid's acting. Think of the pressure on the kid. Oh, I got to afford all this so we can fucking live? I know. And I'm nine? Not only that, but then the kid starts feeling like, hey, this is –

[2:42:47] my fucking money yeah i'm the fucking man yeah i can't have cereal go fuck yourself he's the boss yeah i mean he he had problems with it too they all have problems with it and then on top of that it's just super unhealthy for your kid to get famous when they're 10 horrible and also for pretending horrible famous for pretending that's what how's that gonna affect your personality yeah well there's a lot of parents out there man that just um but i don't understand you're you're [2:43:17] And one of the reasons they don't understand is they're not developed well. Correct. They're fucking nuts. [2:43:22] Or the biggest problem is usually the parents who never played. Right. And they're like, man, they'll see just a glimpse that their son has some talent, and then they're the worst. Did your kid into cars? [2:43:33] You big time. Oh, that's nice. Big time. You've got to teach them how to drive so they don't do something stupid when they get old. That's what I tell them all the time. All the fucking time. Yeah, don't do anything. Oh, no, they're going to learn how to drive a manual. It's the easiest way to do your car. Jamie, you want to make sure your car doesn't get stolen? Buy a manual. Buy a manual. [2:43:48] The criminals these days don't have to drive them. He doesn't even know how to drive one. Do you know how to drive one? Sure. Oh, he's going to burn that clutch. Look at him. [2:43:53] I haven't done it in a long time. You could figure it out. I definitely could do it right now. Yeah, especially if you're only driving 10 miles a day. You're a perfect candidate. I just don't want to. It's disappointing. Yeah, no, my kids know their shit right there. Yeah, it bums me out. There's so many other cars in the world. It doesn't have to be that one. What do you like? [2:44:14] I don't – I'm not driving anywhere. I like driving on the racetrack. Okay, okay, okay. But let's just put all that aside. What cars do you look at and go, oh, I like that? Or do you look at a car that you like and go, that's a Target?

[2:44:26] No, if it's one I like, it ends up honestly being like... [2:44:30] Like an X6, somewhere in that range. X5, X6, AMG, GLE. Okay. Okay. Now we're talking. I don't know. Somewhere in there. Those are dope-looking. I'll tell you what. Whoever made the new grills on the BMW should be... [2:44:46] Dick slap. [2:44:49] into the hospital like like what the fuck did you do to one of the most iconic grills and they hit like the m4s like blah yeah what did you do it's they they're just trying to switch it up you know and they miss but who let that go through bring that up jamie that i'm [2:45:12] The only one that looks good or looks decent is the 7 Series. There's something about the proportions of the 7 Series with that big grill. It doesn't bother me. That M2 is fucking tasty, too, though. Okay, that's dope. Those things can cook. They didn't get it goofy with the grills. I'm talking about that one, right? Yeah. Come the fuck on with that. They've sort of fixed it as time's gone by, but it's still got a big gap like that. Yeah, I don't like it. The earlier ones were the grossest ones. [2:45:36] But look at that right there. Which one? The lower – I'm sorry. That one is good but the left one, the white one. [2:45:42] The white one. Yeah, that's it. Look at that. That's perfect. That's perfect. [2:45:46] That's pretty. That's perfect. Do you still have the M5? No, but I do have the E46 M3. Oh, yeah, those are cool. The 2005? Yeah, those are fucking awesome. That one's fucking great. That is literally a perfect car. That's a great car. Like that one. That one's gross. That grill, the lower right one, the bronze-colored one. Blech. Yeah, my brother has that new M2 manual, and that thing fucking sucks. Oh, M2s are amazing. Those are amazing.

[2:46:16] Awful, it's a little better. Do they make a manual in the M5? They don't, right? I don't think so. I think the M5 is only... [2:46:26] Does it make a manual? The M5s are so heavy now. That's their issue. [2:46:30] Yeah, it's like manual's not the first thing coming up. Yeah, I don't think they make it as a manual transmission anymore. [2:46:37] See if it says manual transmission. [2:46:42] That one's automatic. Yeah. I think they make the M4 manual. Yeah. [2:46:47] Yeah. Oh, six speed. But that's the E60 V10. That's an old one. [2:46:52] Those are dope. The V10s are cool. The V10s sound amazing. They sound amazing. My E46 is not that fast. [2:47:00] There it is. That's old. Yeah. Yeah. So those are the last ones they made in the manual. But my E46 is small. [2:47:09] That's what you want. Light. It doesn't weigh a lot. It handles really good. It's got hydraulic steering, manual transmission. Yeah. [2:47:15] And, you know, it's a diner, so it has a supercharger on it. [2:47:20] So it's a little faster. So it's like 400 something horsepower, but monster, dude, it's just fun. It just, you feel it while you're driving it. [2:47:28] And they look fucking awesome. There's something weirder than I was trying to track that said that they got two of them that were... [2:47:33] Unless there's only two vehicles here. What does it say? It might be just not an American thing. Does that make sense? No, those are old. No, I'll show you what I saw. Oh, so put in 2026 BMW M5 manual. I just saw that. We got two versions of the BMW M5 with a manual that the rest of the world missed out on.

[2:47:52] That's what I saw it was clicking on. When does that, though, if you click on it? It says 2025. Right, but I think they're talking about old cars. I think they're doing a history. BMW still has some. Because it says two versions. They're talking about older cars. BMW still has great interiors, too. Oh, yeah. Some manufacturers still fucking do it right. BMW does it right. They're really good. It's a solid car. The new M5, even if it isn't a manual, is a fucking screamer of a car. They're monsters. Yeah, but they have to make them hybrids now. I know. [2:48:22] fucking... All the environmental shit. Did you see Trump got rid of the engines... [2:48:27] The engine start? You know how when you start? Oh, yeah. You got rid of that. That's good. Yeah, that's I don't like that. And I don't like that. And some cars I have to press the don't do that. And every red light. Don't do that. I hate it. Don't do that. Hate it. Hate it. You're not saving anything. All you're doing is cooking my starter. Yeah, because the starter is going to start. How crazy is Trump? I'm getting rid of that. So annoying parking next to one of these. [2:48:51] Is that a Maserati? Oh boy. Those are cool. In person they're really nice. [2:48:58] Ooh, that's a beautiful car. Why don't you get one of them, Jimmy? Well... [2:49:02] What's up? I don't know. He's worried about the attention. I just had a tire problem. I didn't go that far. [2:49:09] Model S tires just fell apart after 10,000 miles. [2:49:13] I... [2:49:14] I know. That was weird. The way your tires fell apart was weird. It didn't make any sense because he said he had a flat tire, and then he got a look at it, and it was like there's the wires around. He'd worn down the tread at 10,000 miles. Well, that's the problem with electric cars because they're so heavy, so you're going through tires faster. But I didn't think it would be that fast. 10,000 miles is crazy. Jimmy might be driving like a maniac. Fucking nutty man.

[2:49:37] I bet he is. I bet he's going sideways. The wire, dude? You know how ratchet you got to be to wear down to the wire? I think it's the weight. Yeah, it's the weight. Because we looked it up, and it was like 15,000 miles. So he's just a little bit more lead foot. Heavy foot. A little more lead foot. Lead foot, Jamie. Just a sign to get out of the electric car. As he gets older, we're talking on lead foot, Jamie. These are dope. Austin Martins are dope. Fuck yeah. Now we're talking, son. Come on, Jamie. You know some good shit, dude. Here we go. I just don't like Blackwing, Cadillac. Okay. [2:50:07] Okay, you don't like the Cadillac. Okay, that's fine. SMRs are fucking awesome. Okay, it's fine. Everybody has different tastes. That's fine. As long as you like that. [2:50:16] You like something. Dude, I'll go on Facebook Marketplace for you. We'll get you Trackhawks. We'll get you Aston Martins. He's got to get something. [2:50:23] We've got to get him something fun. Let's know the budget, dude. He seems a little hesitant. But he does seem open to it. Well, you drove race cars before around the track. Yeah, that's fun. I do that all the time. But you could buy a car that you can drive your own. We're going to have a studio at the track. More fun to not drive your own race car. That's true. That's true. You don't worry about fucking it. That's a good point. So your show's on Tubi. Show's on Tubi. GearHead's Gone Wild. There's four episodes. There's four episodes. [2:50:49] And are you releasing new ones? You can binge watch all four of them right now. And then if the four do well, they're going to order a bunch more. And that's where I do Hennessy, Guns of Words. I got some big ones like that. And how long are each show? I think they're like 28 minutes each. [2:51:04] Yeah. Okay, cool. And it's GearHeads Gone Wild. Yes, sir. On Tubi. On Tubi. Yep. This might be the first time I ever go to Tubi. I've never been to Tubi. Please do, brother. I only heard about it like a year ago. I just found out about it three months ago. I just can't believe it has that many fucking people viewing it. When they're like, we got to buy a Tubi, I'm like...

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