#2414 - Brian Simpson

[00:00] Joe Rogan podcast, check it out The Joe Rogan experience Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day Uh, did you watch it? Did you watch the UFC? No, just on the lights, Islam Akachovs [00:18] Dude goes up one weight class, goes up to 170. He was the 55-pound most dominant champion ever, most title defensive 55 ever, just dominates at 170. Like every round. People are saying it's boring, but listen, man, it's boring if you're a casual. The fact that he was able to do it every round, it was a little frustrating because you wanted Jack to try to adjust, but he couldn't, man. Islam shut his game down right away. [00:48] Real quick. Had him limping. Real quick. Like, within the first round, he had hit it three or four times. Bad. I imagine being Khabib. You know, just your protege is coming in. And Khabib's even better than him. Right. That's what's so crazy. That's how good those guys are. [01:04] Khabib's not better stand-up, though. [01:07] Islam has really good stand-up. Like, his stand-up. Khabib's stand-up was a means to an end. It was like his stand-up was to crack you so he could get a hold of you and fuck you up. [01:18] and smash you that was khabib's move but islam is fucking ko-ing people man it's different yeah he's different he's head kicking volkanovsky that's a it's like a different level of stand-up yeah khabib said you're gonna be better than me crazy crazy the daghestani boys is here to stay you know what's crazy dude uh bala muhammad you know who was the champ at welterweight went down to daghestan trained with those guys and he was like i thought i trained hard

[01:43] I really did. I thought I trained hard until I trained with those guys. That's all. I'm going to follow that advice. If I ever have a son, I'm just dropping him. As soon as he's hit puberty, I'm dropping him off in Dagestan. [01:53] Say, leave him here, forget. That's the thing they always say. Take him to Dagestan. Two, three years, forget. Yeah, for real. For real. Then he comes back telling you what to do. How are you going to fuck with that? Because that's real. That's how those dudes are really rolling out there. That's how they're really living. They pray five times a day. They're super religious. There's no gambling. [02:13] There's no drinking. There's no partying. There's just training. Just training. Just training and training with a bunch of fucking animals. Eating together, training together, just getting after it every day. [02:26] And then it's iron sharpens iron because everyone who comes out of there is a fucking killer. [02:31] Yeah. Crazy. Yeah. You got to be real. Most people don't want to live that life. Yeah. And they don't forgive the disrespect. No. No. They just fucked Dylan Dennis up this past weekend. Did you see that? Oh, yeah. Yeah. That was the fight in the crowd. Yeah. Yeah. They don't forget. You got to watch what you say. Bro. And they're, you know. Dagestanese, they not talking shit for promotional purposes. No. No. No, no, no. You got to be real careful. No. That's down in the marrow of the bones. [03:01] Do you think Conor could ever apologize to Khabib and bury the hatchet?

[03:13] He'd have to really mean it, and you'd have to convince Khabib that you really meant it. And that it was all, you know, because he just doesn't play that game, that talking shit to sell a fight game. He doesn't play that game. Especially when it comes to, like, his wife, his people. Oh, everything. Everything. I saw a clip of DC saying, like, he did, he had, like, Conor on his show one time, and Khabib was like, [03:34] no what's that about yeah like that's my enemy right and you're my friend yeah and you know dc was like oh yeah i had to i didn't look at it that way but i had to check myself like yeah because you're if you're a journalist if you're or if you're doing a podcast you're gonna have some people on that don't like people that are close to you but you gotta like that can only go to a certain level you know if someone is your like sworn enemy oh right and this other guy's your training partner and your brother you can't really have that guy on [04:02] Oh, yeah, of course not. Yeah. Absolutely not. Like, there's no scenario where Khabib is going to be friendly with Jon Jones because he knows the history. Like, he might be respectful, but he ain't going to catch him kicking it. Yeah. Nah. Well, I think Jon and DC have pretty much buried the hatchet. Really? Yeah. I think they have. I think they communicated. I think they've had some interaction.

[04:32] that way always forever. [04:34] Yeah, because they're different kind of people. I forget that sometimes. Like the competitive, the people that are like also competitive. Totally different kinds of human beings, man. It doesn't go away. Their drive is like... [04:45] You don't understand it. You don't live it, you know? Yeah. And, like... [04:49] wrestlers like elite wrestlers are the only people that train the way like khabib and his crew train like in any other combat sport like if you're coming over from kickboxing and you know and then you want to fight MMA. [05:05] You think, well, I've already trained like an animal already. [05:12] There's a difference. There's a difference in the kind of exhaustion that you get from hardcore wrestling training. And that's something that these guys have. [05:21] That's why wrestling is the number one base for MMA. Because anybody who gets really good at wrestling, you've got to be a fucking animal. You've got to be a fucking animal. I wrestled in high school the first couple of years. [05:35] me you know it was it was hard it's hardcore man like so hard it's it's because besides the technique and stuff you have to be able to suffer your training to suffer yeah yeah you they and they break you all the way down every single practice training to suffer and then the losing weight the losing weight and competing on the same day you know [05:56] I went to school with this kid. He was 5'6". All his brothers were like 6'1". It's because he wrestled all throughout his childhood and cut weight all through his childhood. He essentially starved himself and stunted his growth. Well, my friend Jeffrey...

[06:13] You know, Burner used to work at the club. He used to perform at the club, but he was a wrestling guy, you know, [06:19] did real well in California and now he like he doesn't he doesn't know when he's hungry. Oh Jesus Christ. You know like he's he just has to eat because he's like oh I haven't eaten in. [06:30] but wow his whatever connection it is like he broke it yeah like he'll forget to eat that's crazy yeah it's like that it could really fuck with you so usually it fucks with guys the other way where they cut weight too long and then they just blow up like balloons when they don't have to fight anymore they get crazy and they just can't stop eating they develop real eating disorders it's like it's really common amongst guys who cut weight well that's when i quit i quit i did i did [06:54] It was the first tournament my brother was coming to see me. And... [06:58] And I miss weight by a pound or something like that. And so I still got to wrestle, but it was like in the loser's bracket or wrestle the people off on the side. And there was a guy that he had on what I know now is an insulin pump. But I didn't know at the time. Oh, you told me this. Yeah. And he just kept fucking me up because I was scared to hurt him and he didn't give a fuck about me. And I got my ass whooped. And then when it was finally all over, I was like, oh. [07:28] I fucking opened the Snicker bar and I was like, ah, and my coach came over. He was like, what the fuck are you doing? [07:34] you know i was like uh well the tournament's over he was like you miss weight you gonna come over and eat snacks and it was and i was one of them kids were like i was just defiant and i was like fuck you you know and that was the last time that was the last time he saw me i was like you know because if

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[11:13] Oh, yeah. Run it off. You ever figure out how much calories you actually like burn when you do a hard workout? It's not as much as you think. Like this dude, I forget what he ate, but he had some crazy meal with like fucking pancakes, pizza and all kinds of shit, like 10,000 calories or something like that. And then he went running to burn off the calories and he tracked it like on an app. He ran for 10 hours. He ran like 30 miles. [11:43] Because he was really I do is in really good shape, but when he did this like he was tracking like where is his cow? How many calories he had burned so far and it took him like a marathon like 30 hours of running? to burn off a thousand calories 30 miles rather 30 miles of running no was more than it was like 10,000 calories whatever it was you know I forget what he ate it was like pancakes and all kinds of crazy shit and [12:08] Very calorie. But the purpose was like to see what happens if you eat all this stuff, like what does it actually take to burn this off? So he measures all the calories and then he just goes out running. [12:18] It's kind of disappointing when you realize. It takes a long time. It takes a long time to burn off 10,000 calories. That's a lot of working out. That's why I know I'm going to stay fat until I die. [12:32] You know, because I got this row machine and it tries to tell you how many. It is more discouraging than anything. I had to turn that shit off. Did you lose any weight when you did that carnivore diet for a month? Oh, yeah.

[12:45] How much did you lose? [12:48] I don't know, maybe like 10 pounds. Yeah, well, imagine if you did that for six months. [12:52] Oh, yeah. Do you think you could? The diet is everything. That's the whole way to lose weight. You don't really lose weight in the gym. I mean, you do. You lose a little weight. Your body gets toned. You get healthier. That's all good. But the real way you lose weight is your diet. Yeah, it's just discipline. [13:06] It's hard. It's hard. It was easier when I was poor. [13:20] But when you're your own boss, you can't also be a shitty employee. Right. You know? Like I'm the one setting the rules, but I'm also the one enforcing the rules. And I'm like, you good. Yeah, that's funny. Get it next time. Yeah, you almost have to create a boss in your brain for like certain things that you have to do. [13:39] Like a general. Just tells you what to do. Yes, sir! You just fucking go do it. [13:43] Yeah. Gotta be a robot. David Gawkins could definitely sell an app, just a motivational app. He could, but... Just calls you a bitch every morning. Yeah. [13:52] I mean... [13:53] Really, all you need to do is just go watch his videos. If you want to get motivated, just go watch that guy's videos. [13:59] Do people ever go to just go stay with him? Yeah, he's done that before. David Eiler. Is that who it was? No. What was his name? [14:06] uh... [14:08] Yeah, the dude that wrote the book. [14:11] Fuck. [14:13] I can't believe I can't remember his name. Like, he's on some, like, Diamond Dallas Page shit where, like, he'll just...

[14:17] Well, he – not really. This dude was writing a book. Jesse Itzler? Yes. [14:23] So that's it. Stayed with him. And, you know, David's like, all right, we're going to train and, you know, you're going to do whatever the fuck I tell you to do. And we're going to do it. I forget how many days he did it for. [14:36] He wrote a book about it, right? Like living with a Navy seal. I think he did it for like 30 days. You probably got to pass a physical. Well, yeah, you could die. You could definitely die. You could definitely have a heart attack. But see, that's the thing. He don't care if he die. Right. Yeah. Remember, he had something happen, some kind of heart thing. Rhabdomyelosis. He had rhabdomyelosis. He's had a bunch of things. He's had heart surgery. But he had rhabdomyelosis that he got because rhabdos, when you push yourself so hard, you [15:04] Let's put that into perplexity, our sponsor, and find out exactly what rhabdomyelosis is, because I'm going to fuck this up. Um... [15:12] What is perplexity? We got an AI sponsor. No bullshit. Perplexity, yeah. What is it, like a doctor? [15:17] No, it's an AI. It's an AI large language model, and it gives you answers. [15:23] So processes when muscle tissue damaged by trauma, excessive exercise, prolonged immobility, metabolic or genetic disorders, infections, toxins or certain medications. So obviously in David Goggins case, excessive exercise. So the muscle cell breaks down substances like myoglobin, creatine, kinase, electrolytes and enzymes leak into the blood.

[15:53] mouths can cause acute kidney failure. So when your piss starts looking like Diet Coke, that's when you know you got a problem. I think you just gave Hollywood the worst idea. Instead of people coughing into a napkin so you know they're sick, they're going to be taking a piss and it's going to turn into syrup. Well, it's only if someone works out so hard that your body's breaking down. That's really what it is. You're literally working yourself to death. [16:17] Yeah. But then this crazy motherfucker finished the race. He went to the hospital. He went to the hospital, recovered in the hospital, went back to the exact spot where he stopped and completed the race. And then did like 100 pushups at this finish line. [16:31] You just went to the hospital for doing extra. [16:36] You just can't. You know, you just have to accept that's who he is. That's who he is. He's got no knee cartilage. He still runs. [16:43] He's just a different – he's a different human. [16:46] But again, it's like the Dagestan thing. There's levels to discipline and commitment. And those guys have – it's a very high – it's also like very high-level training too. It's not just discipline. It's like they're very technical. Abdulmanap, who is Khabib's dad, was a phenomenal trainer, just phenomenal. But where did he learn all of this? Well, it's all Russian sambo, and they all have like a long history of – [17:16] Let's Google this just to make sure I'm not speaking out of my ass. [17:20] But, you know, you got to think of like sambo or combat sambo is that's where Fedor Emelianenko came from, too. So Russian sambo is like MMA, but they wear like a judo gi top and they have shorts on and wrestling shoes, MMA gloves and fucking headgear. And they have combat sambo championships. They throw each other using the gi. They have ground and pound. They're kicking and punching. It's a crazy sport. So it's like a judo mixed with.

[17:50] mixed with MMA. [17:52] But they're wearing wrestling shoes. It's really kind of crazy. But there's no ground and pound? There's ground and pound. Yeah, it's basically kind of MMA. [18:00] so abdulman off uh... [18:02] He was named by the Russian Book of Records as the most successful combat Sambo coach in the country. He was the head coach of Eagles MMA, coached two UFC champions, his son Khabib Nurmagomedov, as well as Islam Makachev. [18:16] Um, but [18:18] Soviet practice from a young age while serving in the Soviet army. Soviet army began to practice judo and sambo. First big success as a coach came to his brother, [18:27] Nurmagomedov won at the World Sambo Championship for Ukraine's national team in 1992. He trained a total of 18 world champions through his coaching career. [18:37] That's how good that guy was. 18 world champions. That's crazy. Show him a video of Combat Sambo. Like... [18:46] How about show Fedor competing in Combat Sambo? It's kind of crazy when you see him because he was competing in Combat Sambo, I believe, while he was also fighting in MMA. He was still competing for Russia in Combat Sambo. And there's a difference between Combat Sambo and some other kind? [19:02] Yeah, well, there's Sambo, which is like just the grappling art of Sambo. But look at this. [19:08] They're fighting. [19:10] with punches, with the grappling key on, and shoes on. [19:13] This is crazy, right? Oh, wow. Isn't that nuts? [19:17] They got wrestling shoes on, shin pads. Oh, no knees. Yeah.

[19:22] Um, they can't throw knees here? Is that what's going on? I don't know. I don't know what the rules are. Because I feel like if they could, he would have thrown them like that. Pretty crazy, man. [19:31] So that's Fedor when he was world champion in MMA. [19:35] Maybe the greatest of all time. He's definitely in the argument of the greatest of all time. Fedor? Yeah. The argument is him, Cain Velasquez for heavyweight. [19:45] Francis Ngannou [19:47] And Jon Jones now. [19:49] That is heavyweight, but he hasn't really the only heavyweights that he really beat. We beat steep a when steep a was kind of right at the end of his career and be gone, but he caught gone in the guillotine real early. Clearly one of the greatest fighters of all time. But the argument of him being the greatest heavyweight has only got two heavyweight fights. Then the other guy. [20:11] is Fabricio Verdum. Fabricio Verdum on paper has one of the best arguments because he tapped everybody. He tapped all the world champions. [20:19] And people forget, man, because they only look at a guy when the guy's lost. Like MMA fans, once someone loses and they start, they have a few losses in a row, people forget how good they were when they were in their prime. [20:31] And Fabrizio Verdun in his prime, [20:34] tapped Fedor Emelianenko, Cain Velasquez, and Minotauro Noguera, which is crazy. What are you saying? There's a window, right? Was it nine years? It was about nine years. But I feel like that heavyweight window. [20:47] get short and real fast. What's the most defenses in the heavyweight? It's Stipe. It's like two or three, right? Let's find out. It's just three. Stipe Miocic is the...

[21:00] He's the consensus most successful heavyweight of all time. You could say maybe he's the greatest of all time. You know, it's all when you catch him. I mean, the guy got through Francis in that first fight when Francis was just like taking people's heads off. Like they were attached with – [21:13] sticky glue. With three, yeah. Three. You would think it would be more than three, right? Oh, man. Because all the other weight classes, what's light heavy weight? He's got four. Hold on. Scroll back up. [21:26] I think it was three in a row. [21:27] Yeah, three in a row. But he's got the most title defenses. Scroll back up. [21:32] Please. This episode is brought to you by Happy Dad Hard Seltzer. A nice cold Happy Dad is low carbonation, gluten-free, and is easy to drink. No bloating, no nonsense. When you're watching a football game or you're golfing, watching a fight with your boys or out on the lake, these moments call for a cold Happy Dad. People are drinking all these seltzers and skinny cans that are loaded with sugar. But Happy Dad only has one gram of sugar in a normal-sized can. [22:02] and your local liquor and grocery store, including Walmart, Kroger, Total Wine, and Circle K. And you can't decide on a flavor? Grab a variety pack. Lemon, lime, watermelon, pineapple, and wild cherry. They also have a great flavor in collaboration with Death Row Records and Snoop Dogg. They have their new lemonade coming out as well. Visit happydad.com for a limited time offer and use code ROGAN to buy one Happy Dad trucker hat and get one free.

[22:32] of legal drinking age. Please drink responsibly. Happy Dad, Hard Seltzer, Tea and Lemonade is a malt alcohol located in Orange County, California. So he's got the most title defenses in the division's history with four. Oh, right, because he took the belt back from Cormier. Right, and then defended against Cormier. And then defended against Francis, which was the craziest one. And then lost it to Francis. No, defended against Francis. [23:02] It defended against Francis, then got knocked out by Cormier. [23:05] carmier knocked him out after the francis fight then they fought a second time and stipe beat him stopped him that was the time when he was hooking him to the body shots oh my god he had that beautiful left hook to the body that he he just had wired so he beat daniel beat daniel again he's beaten by decision in the third fight and then in the next one he fought scroll up [23:29] And the next one, he fought Francis again and got KO'd. And that was a brutal one. And then John Jones hit him with that beautiful spinning back kick to the body. Yeah. [23:39] But it's like he's [23:41] in the argument too, for one of the greatest of all time. My thing about Fabricio though, is like people forget like how hard it is to submit [23:48] a guy like Fedor Emelianenko or a guy like King Velasquez. And to be the guy that submits all, like, out of the guys who you consider possibly all-time greats, he submitted three of them. That's nuts. When Velasquez first came on the scene, I thought nobody was going to be able to beat him.

[24:05] Bro, he was a monster. Because he was a heavyweight with cardio like a lightweight. It was nuts. Nothing like that. Yeah, but everybody has their day, man. [24:14] there's nobody that's unbeatable. Well, what happened with Kane is he didn't adjust to Mexico City. So they had a fight [24:23] Kane and Fabricio fought in Mexico City. And Mexico City, I think, is like 7,000 feet above sea level. Were? Yeah. Yeah. [24:32] Put that in there. Let's see what complexity says about that. I'm pretty sure that's the case, though. I think it's about 7,000 feet above sea level, and it's real thin air. Also, it's a lot of pollution. So it's not like the best air. It's not much air, and it's polluted. [24:48] And Fabrizio got there way early, like months in advance. [24:54] 7,350 feet, yeah. [24:56] Above sea level. So real, real high altitude already. So your cardio is already going to be taxed if you're a heavyweight. Yeah, that's crazy. That's 2,000 feet above Denver. Well, why didn't he go? Did he have a good reason? I think there was some domestic issues. Oh, man. I think someone didn't want him leaving. [25:14] you know, on... [25:15] He only got a chance to be out there, I think, for two weeks, and that's not enough time. That's not even close. Not even close. Fabrizio was up there, I think, for six months. I think they told him that he was going to be fighting for the title, and I think he went up there for – I might be talking out of school, but it was many months. [25:33] It was at least four months. And he was up in the mountains above Mexico City. So he's like, fuck it. Let's go 9,000 feet. Let's get crazy. And so got accustomed to even higher altitude. And then when he came down, he was in prime shape. And he caught Cain in a guillotine and submitted him. It was nuts. It was like seeing him...

[25:53] Like I said, he submitted three of the greatest of all time. [25:57] Like that alone, you got to think. [26:00] So he showed up two months early. Verdum did his homework prior to the fight, showed up two months early, and established a training camp in the mountains, conditioning his body at even higher elevation around 12,000 feet. So I was wrong on both counts. It wasn't four months, it was two months, and he was at 12,000 feet, which is fucking crazy. [26:18] Yeah, that's... [26:20] He said, for the first two weeks I was here, it felt as if I'd never trained before at all. I was so tired. [26:26] So if you got used to doing that, [26:29] Okay, so, okay, Kane only went 10 days early. Oh, my God. I feel like that's some shit that George St. Pierre would do just for every fight. Right. Get on an oxygen deprivation tank or something. [26:40] Well, BJ was doing that for a while. BJ Penn was sleeping in a tent. So it was a plastic tent that he would seal off and would sleep inside of it. Like you put it up around his bed and there was a thing that sucked oxygen out of the air there and it made it like you were sleeping at high elevation. [26:59] Apparently that's the move. The move is... [27:03] sleep at high elevation but train at low elevation. [27:07] And the reason for that is when you train at low elevation, you have more oxygen, you can get more reps, you can put in more rounds, you can put in more work. And then the recovery is where you really want your body to be adapting. So then once you're done training, go back up. Like say if you were training in the valley and then you went up to Big Bear and you were sleeping at Big Bear, which is like – I think Big Bear is like 6,000 feet or something like that. But doesn't that only work if the fight isn't?

[27:37] It's not an elevation? Like if you're fighting? No. No. The idea is sleeping at altitude is all you need. Sleeping at altitude gets your body. The whole thing is about getting your body to sort of adapt to this new altitude. So if you just sleep at altitude, you can fight at altitude. Exactly. Oh, okay. Exactly. You'll have more oxygen. You'll have more. And you'll be able to work harder. So it's like they used to think training and sleeping at altitude is the move. [28:07] Probably better. And maybe this is debated. I'm not sure if the consensus is out. But I think what they're saying now is train at sea level and then sleep at altitude. [28:20] Which makes sense. [28:22] It makes sense. Yeah. That's for people that's already training. [28:25] Yeah, definitely. Definitely. I've run out of breath just going up the altitude. That's why Denver, whenever you go to Denver... [28:34] Like I love doing comedy there, but it's so dry. It's dry. It's so dry. Your boogers get sharp. Yep. [28:42] Yeah, your nose starts to bleed. Yeah, your skin is all flaky and shit. There's no air. [28:47] And then, you know, you can get higher than that, too. You can go to Aspen. When they used to have the Aspen Comedy Festival. [28:53] They used to have oxygen waiting for you backstage. [28:56] word yeah in case dudes started fainting why'd they stop that i don't know i think you know they stopped a bunch of those comedy festivals they had where was the original one was in montreal and then they started doing an aspen and i think they did it in vegas too for a while

[29:12] If I remember correctly. It was the same people? But it used to – see, those things used to be effective. It used to be you would take time off the road, go to Montreal, do your best set, and maybe you'd get a development deal. And if you got a development deal, maybe you'd get a sitcom. That was a whole – that was the carrot that they dangled at the end of the stick. Career-changing. Yeah. Like for some people, it was career-changing. It really was. [29:35] That stopped. And then so it was like, why are we going to these festivals? Because I'm not getting anything out of this other than you selling tickets. Well, I think that – [29:44] That's happened, that happened, what happened to most of the institutions in comedy, or just show business period is the people that used to be the tastemakers, the people that used to tell the business who was next. [29:58] I think people get, because this happens all the time, there'll be some good, somebody will start a comedy show, then all of a sudden somebody will make it from that show, and then it becomes the show in the scene or in the city, and then they start wanting to maintain that reputation, so instead of [30:14] them just fucking with who they believe in, they'll wait to see who has a little momentum. Yeah. So they kind of give it up. They wait for the industry to tell them. [30:24] Who's popping? Right. And it happened to the store. It happened to JFL. It happened to all this. And maybe people maybe it's coming back now. But you also have to realize who are these people? They're just people that got jobs working for whatever media company that is, whether it's NBC or Netflix or whatever it is. They're just people that got jobs. They might not have any idea like how a joke is made, what the process is of developing material, who's got talent, who's derivative.

[30:54] What they do is they lick their fucking finger and they hold it up and whichever way the wind's blowing, they pretend they're a genius. And that's what they do. And oftentimes they'll dismiss someone who turns out to be the best one of the lot. It's real common, man. And then they always want to stand by those ideas like, ah, I don't see it. And like, OK, the guy's fucking selling out arenas. I think you missed it. But it happens a lot. It happens a lot with these folks because they're – [31:21] They're not artists. They're just business people, and they're pretending to be artists. It's weird. Like some of them give you advice. But some people do have – like there's a – [31:31] There's a talent there. [31:33] for dealing with talent that some people do have adam eget right adam eget's a perfect example because adam is an artist whose like job is to be a talent coordinator but he's genuinely an artist like he's he gets it he's he thinks like a comic he behaves like a comic he was a funny co-host of norm mcdonald's show you know when norm had that show adam adam was on that show with him yeah like he gets it he understands the business he'll hit you he'll hit you with a zinger from [32:03] He's got a couple in the chamber. He's a funny dude, but he's also a smart dude. And he knows potential. He sees someone, and he can give them genuinely good advice. Like, genuinely, like, you could take this and develop it this way. Maybe you need to work on this. Maybe you need to, you know. But, you know, more importantly, he has the courage of his convictions, where it's like,

[32:25] Like when I first got to Hollywood, [32:27] I went everywhere at least once or twice. And people are like, "Come back next week," or, "You got to wait till this time," or whatever. Everyone saw me at least once. Adam saw me, and he was the only person that was like, "Come back next week." [32:42] you get a spot next week. Because he gets it. He started fucking with me immediately. And there wasn't any hesitation at all. From the time I met him, [32:53] I was just getting spots at the store. Yeah. Yeah. And so to do that, to have that belief in your eye, you know, instead of needing other people's, because of how most of. [33:05] show business works is everybody's just no one wants to be the first one on your dick but no one wants to be the last one so even if they see something they think is dope they'll be like does anybody else think it's dope right no okay me neither right you know but then as soon as a couple of people think it's dope then it was like i oh i saw it six months ago it's like you know it's [33:24] Yeah, that's where they're pretending they have talent. Yeah. That's their talent. But the problem is you don't have to have the talent talent. [33:30] to be in a position of that position no you don't you just get a job and they need someone to do it and if you sell yourself and if you worked you know in production before you did something and as an agent or whatever the fuck it is you're in the business just suffer under some tyrant there's a lot of that yeah there's a lot of that a lot of suffering under tyrants and then these guys they wind up you know fucking [33:54] But ruining companies because they don't know what – like how many terrible specials have you seen that just fit the right demographic, fit this like silly thing? Like that was another problem that Adam was having at the store is that like –

[34:08] He couldn't just... [34:10] give spots to the people that he thought was funny. [34:13] there was pressure to make a certain amount of gay people on the set, a certain amount of women, a certain amount of... They had people telling him he didn't have enough of certain demographics. But where's the pressure coming from? Oh, I don't know. It was coming from... I don't want to talk out of school. But it wasn't... [34:34] Just. [34:35] comics there was you know people that were buying into it and that's nonsense my mind immediately went something silly like he just he just wakes up there's a dildo on his pillow with a note it's like no he was you've been warned he was being told he's been told but and it's just like you know there's a lot of like vicious people in this fucking business and if you're a guy and your [35:05] all of a sudden that job is threatened because people are complaining about you and they think that you're not doing – [35:11] Your best to make the lineup more diverse, which is like it's so silly because this is the thing that we always talk about in the green room. Like, look how diverse that club is. [35:22] There's everybody there, like all kinds of different kinds of people. And the idea that like – [35:28] It's one thing. This is the most dumb straw man that gets tossed around. It's all right-wing comedy club. The vast majority of the people that work there are left-wing people, the vast majority. That's a fact. [35:38] It's a fact. Yeah. And you can't like you can't tie it down. You know, it's all white males. That's bullshit. There's all kinds of people there. There's Arabs and Muslim people. There's people from India. There's people from Asia. There's black people, white people, Australians, people from fucking everywhere at that club. And just there's one thing in common only. I think that you love comedy. Are you trying to get better? Are you funny? There is something to be said about.

[36:04] being aware of your blind spots. [36:07] But I don't think that... [36:10] The way Hollywood always does diversity is wrong because they'll go instead of going to find they'll go. We're missing this. [36:17] - Slice of the pie. - Right. - Instead of going and finding the funniest people, [36:21] they'll just pick anyone, you know? And I don't know if that always... [36:28] This is almost never the best way. It's never the best way. It's like the same thing for neurosurgeons. If you like, you know, I'm really looking for a Danish woman neurosurgeon. Like, no, no, no. You got your brain tumor. Like, no, no, no. I want to really want a Danish woman. Like, no, no, no, no, no, no. You got to get the best guy to get best. Guy's a Chinese guy. We found him. He was at Harvard. [36:47] This guy. No, no, no. [36:49] Like that's crazy, and that's the same thing with everything. It's like it should be a meritocracy, and I think ultimately you're going to have examples of all sorts of different kinds of people that rise to the top in a true meritocracy. [37:03] I mean, but the... [37:05] Well, the pendulum always swings both back and forth, but it's almost never a meritocracy. In comedy? Or just – I'm just talking about America. Comedy is one of the only things where it's a genuine meritocracy. Oh, yeah. Well, when it comes to the crowd, you can't cheat. You can't cheat. You can't cheat. No. It is what it is, unless you're stealing. That's the only thing. If someone's a joke thief. Or unless you're a fucking hack. Yeah. You can get – You can get away with a lot, but you can't get away with a lot with your peers, right? You can't – like your peers won't like you.

[37:35] They won't want to be around. They won't want to go on the road with you with your whack-ass jokes. No? Nah. [37:40] Unless you're super famous, people are just – people are just hold their nose and go on the road with you. There's a few. That's true. There's a few that will do that. But – [37:47] Ultimately, though... [37:49] When it comes to sustaining a career. [37:53] and having years and years of people coming out to see you and multiple specials and stuff like that. [38:00] It either works or it doesn't work. [38:02] It's it's it's real simple. Like once people find out about you, now you've got your foot in the door and it's all just about keeping it on the gas. Keep your foot on the gas and keep producing, keep making stuff, keep keep writing, keep working on sets. And you'll you know, if you're working for those people, they'll keep showing up for you because you made them laugh. I hope that stays true because that's it's the only thing I'm good at. You know, I'm bad at everything except writing, except Mike, my comedy. [38:32] Well, you're really good at your comedy though. Some people never get really good at anything. [38:39] you have to be good at something else. No. Editing, sketches, scripts, they want you to act, they want you to... You don't. You don't. [38:49] You don't? Look at David Tell. He does one thing. [38:52] There's one thing. Stand-up comedy. Everybody loves them. [38:55] He's amazing. Yeah, fact. He does one thing. [38:57] That's it. I mean, that dude doesn't even go on social media at all, which is the only reason why he's not selling out enormous arenas. When we had him at the club last weekend, everybody was like, dude, he's the best. He might be – he's one of the best of all time, and he's working clubs. I mean, a lot of people put him at the very top. He's up there, dude. It's like it's kind of silly to rank comedians. Yeah. Right? And every comic that's alive today owes a debt of gratitude to the people that came before us.

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[41:21] But I love that. I love getting to watch a comic to make you go, God damn, I need to just boil my shit up and fucking throw it away. Yeah, that's the best feeling. That's where the fire starts burning and gets you going. You need to feel that. That's why comics don't exist in a vacuum. We were talking about this the other day. We were talking about McCann. So McCann is in this thing where he might have to move. And we're like, bro, you got to stay. You're killing it and you're getting funnier. You're funnier all the time. [41:51] you're around [41:53] Comics don't exist in a vacuum. You're not going to go to, like, South Dakota and find the best comic that no one's ever seen. The best comic in the world lives in South Dakota by himself. [42:02] And he works at this little local comedy club, and everybody comes to see him from miles around. [42:08] No. The best comics are around other killers. You get to see a guy like David Tell go up, and you're like, God damn. You get to see Shane Gillis go up. You go, God damn. You get to see Joey Diaz. You get to see all these fucking killers over and over and over again. And when you're around that, and you see Ron White every week, that's how you get better. That's where it's on. [42:38] He's got a... [42:39] He's got a zany delivery. Whenever I follow him, he always brings me up like he auctioned enslaved. He'll be like, Bran! Sip it! You know, he says my name like Leonardo DiCaprio in Django. Bran!

[42:58] Watch, we're going to get that on tape somewhere. Yeah, we'll get that tonight. Yeah. [43:02] Well, I'll bring him in tonight. Oh, yeah. Is he coming in now? I think so. I think so. I got to text him as soon as we get out of here. Oh, speaking of the comedy, my Don't Tell show came out this week. Go check it out. It's already out. Oh, it was out this week? It was out last week, but it's gone. It's taken off. Nice. Beautiful. Yeah, it's like a... [43:20] Yeah, a couple of the clubs, a couple of them, yeah. [43:22] Beautiful. Yeah. Go check it out. It's on YouTube. Don't tell comedy. That WAP joke is one of my all-time favorite jokes. Oh, yeah. That's on my YouTube channel. Yeah. So, yeah. We got a lot of stuff online, man. Some people are like, I've just now discovered you. I'm like, really? That's how it works, man. Yeah. There's so much shit out there. That's the thing, man. A million people can watch your shit and nobody saw it. Isn't that nuts? Yeah. That's how many people there are that are online. [43:52] stand-up. It's crazy. [43:53] You know what I mean? How is that possible? Well, there's just too many things to pay attention to. Like, how many times have you heard about an actor? Like, my kids will tell me about someone. And I'm like, who is that? And they're like, oh, my God, that person's huge. I'm like, shut up. Really? And then I go to their Instagram page. They have 30 million Instagram followers. I'm like, how am I that old? It happens to me all the time. I've officially reached unk status. Yeah, I'm unk status. I'm like grandpa status. Grandpa Joe. Grandpa Joe doesn't know anything. Because I'm not looking. The thing is, I'm not at the point. Like, I'm not looking for new stuff. [44:23] Yeah, I'm not looking either. But then that makes me feel old. You know, it'll be somebody that's like world famous. And I'm like, who the fuck is that? I know. Yeah. I completely miss the...

[44:36] The baby shark thing. [44:37] I just started hearing people talk about it in jokes. [44:40] Baby Shark? Yeah, apparently it's like the number one YouTube, it's the most streamed YouTube video, right Jamie? [44:46] I mean, this is-- [44:47] A couple years ago guys, but it's still number one. I missed it. Baby shark do do do do. Oh, baby shark do do do do do. I had literally hadn't heard that song. It had been out for maybe a year and a half and I hadn't heard anything about it. I just heard a comic making jokes about it. And usually when something's in the pop culture, everyone will be trying to have their own. I heard another comic say a joke about it. I'm like, what the fuck is that? [45:12] Sure enough, I completely missed it. I mean, I don't have kids. That makes sense. That's what it is. Okay, this is it? That video? [45:21] That's a big video? I've never seen that video. The world's most watched YouTube video hasn't made its creator rich. What? How come? [45:28] Hold on. A company behind Ubiquitous Song is hampered by ad restrictions on children's content. Wants to raise funds for expansion. [45:37] What does that mean? [45:38] Raise funds. You had one viral video. You ain't a company. 16.4 billion views. Oh! That's insane. And they can't make money? This is roughly equivalent to Taylor Swift's 10 most popular YouTube videos combined. Whoa! Yeah, last year the company generated an equivalent of about $67 million in revenue, including earnings from YouTube. But wait a minute. [45:58] That's a lot. [45:59] That's a lot. [46:00] So it seems like they are making money. [46:03] I don't understand. [46:04] Is it saying the quandary underscores how certain restrictions – scroll up a little. I think we must have missed something. No, we haven't missed anything yet. But why is it – it doesn't make any sense that the company hasn't made any money. It's saying they made money. Am I reading that wrong?

[46:18] Revenue isn't the same as making money, though. [46:21] What? [46:22] Revenue is just money coming in. They could have – their expenses are so high that – They could have spent a lot on ads to get it out there. That's what it could be going into saying. I don't know. No, but I'm guessing 16 billion views probably should make you more than that. Is that what they're trying to say? So revenue is your gross? No, that's how much money they made total including what they got from YouTube. That's not just from YouTube. Oh, so they make money from other stuff. Yeah, they probably licensed it out and stuff like that. So scroll up so you see the little graph there. It says life – I mean scroll down. I'm sorry. [46:51] So operating profit, revenue. So they make them a lot more money. [46:56] Oh. Yeah, but that's South Korean one. I don't know. Yeah, I just... Falling down the wrong hole. [47:05] Big out. No, Joe's like, bring back the AI. [47:08] Yeah, I don't know what that is. [47:11] Like that baby shark thing? Like why would one thing catch like that? [47:16] Because it's something for kids, and people love ignoring their kids. You just put that shit on, and kids are obsessed. It can't just be that, because there's so many things that kids can watch. It can't be just that. It's got to be – there's some – remember that banana song, Banana Phone? Ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, banana phone. No, I never heard that before. It was like in the 2000s. It became, like, really popular. I think it was popular on Opie and Anthony. They kept playing it. It was, like, really catchy, totally innocent. And then it was, like – [47:44] Everywhere for like three or four weeks and then it went away. [47:47] And I always wonder, like, what the fuck is it where something just catches fire? I don't know. Remember when Tickle Me Elmo...

[47:54] Because when was the last time we had a viral holiday toy? [47:58] Like where was the toy everyone had to have to look at the holidays, but those little booboos were pretty viral. [48:04] Yeah, people love the blue. And I don't get it. Why though? Are there are the collectors? Is this like because they know AI is about to take over the world and then they know the aliens are landing and Jesus Christ is coming back and they just they're freaking out. There's buying stuffed animals. I don't know what the fuck they're doing. They just following the lead. So a little boo boo is just a stuffed animal. I don't know. I hear about him. My brain shuts off. [48:26] There's a little bit of gambling involved. What? It's a mystery. You don't know what's inside the box that you bought. Wait a minute. And then people can sell those boxes based off of what could be inside. Is it a stuffed animal? Yeah. [48:36] A stuffed animal, then you've got to gut your stuffed animal to find out what's inside of it? No, no, no. It's in a box. It's in a package, and then you don't know what's inside that package. Oh, so you just buy a LaBooBoo without knowing which one you're going to get. Right, right, right. And you might get a limited edition one inside. It's like a real-life loot box. A limited edition LaBooBoo. Yeah, it's like Beanie Babies without knowing what you got before, and you might get the Princess Di one. That's brilliant. You could get a limited edition LaBooBoo. That's brilliant. And other than that? How much is it to buy a mystery LaBooBoo box? It could be $20. Let's guess. It could be $50. Let's take a guess. [49:06] Yes. [49:07] How much do you think it costs to get a Lubu? Retail. Retail. I'm going to say $40. $40. [49:13] Yeah, I think I'm with you. I was going to say 36%. [49:16] And after that, how much do you think it is resale? Oh, $150. That's how much it costs to get them, yeah. I bet it's like $150. [49:23] Buying one of them, like a hot new car. So retail is $28,000.

[49:26] $27.99. Okay. Okay. $30. And then what does it cost online if you want to buy one right now? I need a LeBouBou. Like a mystery. A mystery LeBouBou. What do I get? [49:39] Are you Googling it? Yeah, yeah. It's going to... Oh, no. I'll turn off my ringer. Up to 80 to 120. It's not that bad. Oh, well, a few human-sized auction pieces. Oh, that's big. What? $100,000. Wait a minute. They have human-sized labubus? Yeah, I didn't know that. Jesus Christ. What? That is so ridiculous. I mean... What is someone doing with a human-sized labubu? Who's fucking their labubu? Because you know someone is. Let me see what their labubus look like. Is this something like a furry would fuck? [50:04] which I call as human-sized. [50:07] Oh, do you hear the latest that that dude who shot Trump? [50:11] Might have been a furry. Yeah, I saw that. I found some more stuff. What? Yeah. [50:15] I think he was a furry. That's like an art piece. It's not really quite. Oh. [50:18] Well, that's not really human-sized either. [50:21] Human-sized Louboutin doll sold for $150,000. Let me see what it looks like. Well, what they mean might have been a furry. I feel like you would know or not know that. They're finding stuff. [50:32] Let's find out. Yeah. [50:34] There it is. There's the big labubu. Whatever. This lady invented them? [50:38] She invented a little boo-boo? [50:41] Again, how? How does that work? How does that catch on? [50:44] How's that catch on? Like Build-A-Bear has been in the fucking mall forever. I mean, I think I know what it is. It's probably some fucking smoking hot K-pop star. Probably they saw her with one on. You know, there's certain women where they follow and anytime she does any fashion thing, it just spreads like wildfire. Yeah, there's a thing that does happen whenever a popular person starts like wearing a thing. Yeah, they literally tricked all women into wearing a diamond. Well, you remember when. Just looking at the actress to do it.

[51:14] priest [51:15] had everybody dressing up like a gay motorcycle gang member. What? Yeah. That started with Judas Priest? Yeah. Rob Halford from Judas Priest is gay. Yeah. [51:24] Like openly gay. And now, at least, you know, I don't know if he was back then, but... [51:29] He dressed like a gay biker, and that became like metal. [51:35] Oh, word. Because Judas Priest was so good, they wanted to dress like this gay guy who dressed like a gay guy who would go to a gay biker club. Yeah. It smells like hot women around the world. Because dudes will do anything. [51:50] that... [51:51] that they think, yeah, we'll get them laid. And women will do anything that a pretty woman does. [51:57] That's true. Anything to make yourself look prettier, too. Yeah, and so it's like... [52:02] Because all of the dudes now talking all that gay shit, they was dressing like that in the 70s and the 80s, like earrings and makeup and purses and all of that. Bell bottoms, big collars. Yeah, because they thought it was going to get them laid. Flouncy shirts. You could dress like Prince. You could dress like Little Richard. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Anything that works. [52:21] Platform shoes, anything that works. Anything. Okay, Thomas Crooks used they, them pronouns, had obsession with political violence and muscle mommies. [52:29] Uh-oh, that's what I like. Yeah, what's wrong? [52:38] I like a woman that can move a cow. I do. The lone sniper who grazed Trump in the ear killed a beloved firefighter, critically wounded two other Trump supporters, apparently had a muscle mommy fetish and repeatedly searched for videos about female bodybuilders and muscular women. But what was the furry stuff, though? I was reading some furry stuff.

[52:59] Crooks had two possible accounts on DeviantArt, a site that hosts fan art, has become notorious for its community of furries. People have identified as anthropomorphized animal characters and or are sexually attracted to them. [53:16] They ever tell you about the time that I accidentally stumbled on a furry convention? [53:20] No. Ha! We were flying into Pittsburgh for a UFC. One of DeviantArt accounts, Link to Crooks, shared just one post reposting of a towering, muscular female bodybuilder and a slight man in his underwear. [53:35] Yeah, I'm all about it. Yeah! That's like R. Crumb type stuff. [53:41] Hilarious. I don't kink shame. I don't kink shame either. Have fun. Me and Duncan wore furry outfits once. [53:48] For the pod? Yeah. And we had to take the hats off after like five minutes. Like, respect to furries. You could walk around all day with this fucking thing on. It was heavy. It was hard to breathe. It was hot. We took it. Oh, yeah. That's what he likes. Yeah, baby. But who doesn't like that? I don't know. Some little dudes. [54:07] Some little dudes don't want to be dominated. Don't want some men, some women to use them like a dildo. [54:14] When I was – so I was flying into Pittsburgh. We were flying in for UFC and – [54:20] We got a rental and we're driving to the hotel. And as we're driving to the hotel, I'm like, why are all these mascots on the street? [54:26] The fuck's going on? It was real weird. Like, we didn't understand what was going on. This is a while ago, like at least 10 years ago. And we're driving, and I'm like, what the fuck is this? Like, what's going on? We get to the hotel, and I'm like – and I go to the guy behind the counter. I go, man, what the fuck is going on? He goes, it's a furry convention. Like, I didn't even – I kind of vaguely knew what a furry was, but I never really –

[54:51] dove into it, you know? So I go, what are you talking about? He goes, it's a convention of all these people that get off on dressing like animals. I go, get off? He goes, dude. [55:02] They're asking us to serve them food in bowls on the ground. [55:05] Okay? When they get room service, they want their room service in a bowl. They want it put on the ground so they can get on their knees and eat it out of a bowl. And they were asking for a litter box. I know a lot of people don't believe this. [55:17] I told the story about a friend of mine who lives in Utah. His wife was a schoolteacher there. And [55:24] One of the parents had a child that was a furry and they wanted to put a litter box in the bathroom. Now, this was interesting. [55:32] entirely relayed to me by my friend who it was relayed to him by his wife who worked in school. I don't know if it's true, but everybody got so angry and they started saying what I was saying was transphobic and I got so confused. [55:47] Because I was like – this was a couple of years ago. I was like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait. What does this have to do with trans people? We're talking about someone who wants to shit in a box. Like where's the trans part of this? So somehow or another, furries and that kink are getting like lumped into this LGBTQTAI plus whatever. And they're trying to like lump furries in there in this debunking of my conspiracy theory. Well, furries are their own – [56:16] They're their own. That's what I didn't understand. Some of them is not sexual. But these guys, it was when I was talking to the guy that worked behind the counter. I was like, what is going on? He goes, dude, he goes, apparently what these guys like to do is they have like a hatch on the back of their furry outfit and they like to bang each other without even knowing who they're banging. All they do, they pretend they're banging a giant squirrel and they're into it.

[56:40] And it's apparently like part of the fun is that you don't have to think about your body. Maybe you're ashamed of your body. Maybe you don't like your body. Maybe you're just like, I'd rather someone just fuck me and think I'm a raccoon. And so that's what they do. I pray to God I don't find out that that's my kink because it's just too much work. It's a lot of work. The head is heavy, you know. [57:03] Heavy is the head that carries the throat. Yeah, that's it. Any kink that requires maintenance. That's a lot of washing. You got to wash that furry outfit. And if someone jizzes on it and doesn't tell you, then you got a problem. It might be a subsection of the community where they like it not washed. They want the dirty furries. They're over there. Like an animal. Like in the woods. They don't wash themselves. Yeah. Come on. Let's go. [57:24] We're furries? Are we furries or are we men? I once had a... I used to work at this pub in San Diego. [57:30] And one time we had, it was like a, [57:33] and [57:35] I don't know if they're a subsect of the furry world, but they're like My Little Pony people. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What do they call them? There's a name for that. Bronies. Bronies. Yeah, it was like a whole documentary or something. And they were all very nice and respectful, and you could see there were a handful of women involved, and you could see everybody trying to – [57:56] angle for the, but they took, they, they just, they filled up our pub. And these are all the My Little Pony people. [58:02] yeah yeah that was like 10 years and bro and they are and they hardcore like they they they don't tolerate any teasing whatsoever like if you try to come at them about it it's gonna be a problem you know like you gotta be able to take some teasing yes if you want if you want me to take you seriously i'm telling you bro they're gonna throw hoofs immediately they're throwing hoofs

[58:26] Thank you. [58:27] People will find a thing that they're really into, no matter what it is. They will find a fucking thing that they're really into. But that's the reason – that's why I don't kink shame because I'm like – [58:35] Hey, man, if you... [58:37] Just be lucky that all the things that make you come are no are things you consider normal, you know me right because it because I feel like imagine if you found out [58:47] Right, that that was your thing? Yeah, you could only get off if you was dressed as a wolf. [58:53] You know... [58:54] One touchdown can change everything. The crowd, the momentum, the game itself. It never gets old. Feel that same rush with DraftKings Sportsbook, an official sports betting partner of the NFL, where every touchdown can bring you closer to cashing in. With DraftKings Sportsbook, all the actions in your hands. First touchdown, anytime TD, live bets, every play, every snap, every game matters. When there's something on the line, every drive feels bigger, [59:24] tents and every trip to the end zone could mean a win for you. Here's the best part. New customers bet just five bucks. And if your bet wins, you get $200 in bonus bets instantly. When your team hits the end zone, you could hit the payout. Download the DraftKings Sportsbook app and use the code ROGAN. That's code ROGAN. Bet five bucks and get $200 in bonus bets if your bet wins in [59:54] Gambling problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER. In New York, call 877-8HOPE-NY or text HOPE-NY 467-369. In Connecticut, help is available for problem gambling. Call [redacted phone] or visit ccpg.org. Please play responsibly. On behalf of Boothill Casino and Resort in Kansas, pass through if per wager tax may apply in Illinois. 21 and over. Age and eligibility varies by jurisdiction. Boyd in Ontario. Restrictions apply. Bet must win to receive bonus bets which expire in seven days. Minimum odds required.

[1:00:24] I think it's a psychological thing, but they don't like who they really are. I mean, if I had to guess what the furry thing is, I don't think there's any well – I mean, I don't know. Maybe there's some well-balanced furries out there that just have a weird thing. But I think most of them just don't like who they are, and so they just want to hide in this thing that's all smiley and, Hi, kids! You look like a fucking – some sort of a giant animal. [1:00:49] See, I have a theory. I think... [1:00:52] Whatever I think [1:00:54] the first time you encounter something sexual, whatever's happening gets, like, burned into your shit. Mm, that's called imprinting. Yeah. Like, I got a homie that... [1:01:06] that's like into like you know the bdsm world or stuff like that and he has no idea and i was like well how did you know that he was like i have no idea and then you know years later without [1:01:16] Completely unrelated. He's telling me one time about him looking for Christmas presents and [1:01:20] Going in the back of his parents closet and finding the whole chest of, you know, whips and chains and shit like that. When he was like six or seven years old, he didn't make the connection. We're like, oh, yeah, well, that's why you're. Yeah. Duh. Yeah. Parents into whips and chains and shit. And I don't know if that had to happen because I think your kinks are genetic. [1:01:39] Really? Yeah. Why do you think that? I think I've read that, right? Well, I think some information is probably passed down from parents to kids, and I would imagine kinks could be in there. [1:01:49] Because artistic talent is passed down. [1:01:52] Obviously athletic talent is often past town.

[1:01:56] It would make sense. I bet a lot of – I bet they don't know. [1:01:59] Exactly what you're giving to your kids. Well, let's find out because if it's true, I mean, that's going to make you look at your mama real different. Right. [1:02:08] You don't want to know that. That's horrible. Yeah, but I pity the poor people that have accidentally walked in and their parents fucking – [1:02:15] you never did that? no the horror no actually that's not true I never walked in but I definitely knew that that's what was happening [1:02:25] I can block that out red you can't block out the visual because you've definitely touched the doorknob and me like your dad with his feet up in your [1:02:54] I mean, what would have to happen for you to be a furry? What would you have to see? I don't think it's that. [1:03:00] I think it's – I think it's probably – [1:03:03] There's probably some social disorder involved in some of those folks, too. There's, like, furry lights, which my kids go to school with. There's some kids that wear, like, ears and, like, maybe a tail. [1:03:15] And every now and then you see one of those. [1:03:17] Yeah, yeah. This Barone thing might have started as a 4chan troll that spread too far and got out of control like a few other things have done. They're the best. I can't tell. Do you see what they did with the free flow, a free bleeding project? What is that? Hold on, wait a minute. They tricked women into thinking that it's like a sign of feminism to just bleed and not have a tampon or a maxi pad.

[1:03:39] Oh, like old school. [1:03:41] Just let it go. Free bleeding. And so they did it as a joke. And then some women adopted it because they thought it was like radical feminist cuckoos. Crazy ladies. So now free bleeding is like a trend? No, it didn't last. It's disgusting. It's probably totally unsanitary. You smell like fish. It's hell. It's hell. You have a pussy blood running down your fucking pants and you're showing up at the office? You expect to keep your job here at United Health? Get out of here. I don't think anybody was showing up at no offices. [1:04:11] It definitely deals with no jobs. At Starbucks? You showing up at Starbucks? Oh, that's not real. No way. That lady would die. She would literally be dead. That's like if you shot her with a fucking arrow. The thing is, there's no... [1:04:24] Is this lady free bleeding? These were the 4chan posts of people trying to share it. That kid was real. I'm not putting this on this. But that could be a lady that's just doing a marathon and forgot a tampon. It's like, fuck it, I'm going to push through. Because I saw one lady who diarrheaed herself. It went all down her leg and everything, and she completed that fucking race. Well, the thing is, it's hard to tell what's real and what's AI. That's real. That's real. That's a little pussy bud right there. I can tell. I'm an expert. I'm an expert. [1:04:48] But the thing is, free bleeding is one thing, but just getting your pussy blood on other people's stuff. They don't care. If you're doing that shit at home or in the grass. They're marking their territory. [1:04:59] Well, what did people do before they invented tampons? Like, I mean, are you supposed to just wash it out? Like, what are you supposed to do? What does nature want you to do? Like, nature doesn't want you... That's why toxic shock syndrome is a thing. When women have tampons and they leave them up there and then they can get really sick and women have died.

[1:05:19] from toxic shock syndrome people and I don't think people even cared about someone I don't know if this this might be full satire but this is someone talking about how it's not made up and it's a real thing people tried to claim this they started this such a users of the online forum for chan would claim that they jokingly started the movement 2014 see how far they can make angry feminists go fake memes and Twitter accounts apparently belong to feminist activist [1:05:46] began posting content about free bleeding. This backfired spectacularly for the 4chan trolls when they unwittingly created a discourse around the normalization of periods. What? The free bleeding movement, whether fake or not, quickly became very real and got women talking about their monthly cycle. Since then, notable moments in the free bleeding movement have included... [1:06:09] Karan Gandhi running the Boston Marathon without... [1:06:13] Without something while bleeding. They missed something there. It says without while bleeding through her sports shorts. Poet Rupi Kaur also became notable in the movement when an image of her menstrual blood on her pants and bed sheets was repeatedly removed from Instagram that same year. Imagine like you're a hero because your pussy blood is on the Internet. This is so kooky. This sounds like this is satire. It could be. Who wrote it? What's it in? [1:06:43] Thank you. [1:06:44] I think you have a hard time convincing most. Yeah, most, but these are crazy people. Most people don't want to fuck wearing a squirrel outfit.

[1:06:53] But crazy people do. Some people do. I'm not saying furries are crazy. What is the blog? And do they have other things that seem like satire? Because that seems like satire. I'm checking real quick. I'm trying to check. It's hard to tell at the edges. When you get to the edges of radical feminism and radical leftism and radical right wing, you know, patriot front type shit, it's hard to tell what satire when you get to the edges. [1:07:15] When you get to the most extreme examples of any movement. Well, also, everything's AI now, and people just lie. People just say bullshit. Also, all those, whether it's the right-wing movements like Proud Boys or whether it's Antifa, they get infiltrated. [1:07:31] Those guys get infiltrated by government officials 100 fucking percent. I guarantee you there's some FBI agents in Antifa, and I guarantee you there's some FBI agents that are in the Proud Boys. [1:07:41] Mmm. [1:07:43] I think the head of the Proud Boys was already outed. [1:07:46] as an FBI informant. Isn't that true? [1:07:49] I think that... [1:07:50] Find that out. [1:07:52] Google that. Really? Yes. That's not shocking at all. I think... [1:07:56] Every single movement gets in the trade. I think he still went to jail, too. I think he still went to jail for January 6th. [1:08:02] Yeah, I mean, they still locked up a few... [1:08:07] Let's say – what does it say? Heather Pauwboys revealed to have been an FBI informant. [1:08:11] Enrico Tarrio. Tarrio served as the national chairman of the Proud Boys from 2018 to 2021 and was a central figure in the group's activities, including its role in a January 6, 2021 Capitol riot. [1:08:22] However, it was later disclosed that Tariel worked as an informant for federal and local law enforcement agencies between 2012 and 2014 prior to his leadership in the Proud Boys.

[1:08:33] Oh, beforehand. That's even crazier. [1:08:36] That's even crazier. Like... [1:08:38] But they tell him that's the truth, like that he's not doing it anymore. It's like fucking who knows, man. [1:08:44] It's layers upon layers. It's those Russian nesting dolls. And you open it, and there's another one in there. And you open it, there's another one in there. Corruptions at all the time. Bro, the Epstein files... [1:08:55] I heard there's no files. I heard it's a hoax. And then all of a sudden he's going to release the files. Well, I thought there was no files. He wants an investigation now. [1:09:04] Listen, like what is going on? They voted four hundred and twenty seven to one. Who was the one? Who's the one? He I didn't see why he said, but he did. National security. No fucking way. National security. If you found out if you found out all of Congress voted for something, you the only one that didn't. Can you change your vote? [1:09:24] You can't be the one, guy. It should be. It should be that it has to be like no one can know what the vote is before you do it. Bro, I would love to hear his reason. How are you the one? Well, you know, I was feeling like let's move past it and let's get on with our business. Bro, you can't move past it. These billionaires are good people. [1:09:42] Okay. You can't move past. They're good, solid people. Who? Clay Higgins. Where's he out of? [1:09:48] Arkansas. Yeah, there you go. I knew it was one of them. Yeah. One of the bottom ten in education or something like that. Somebody got to them. [1:09:58] That's crazy, though. [1:09:59] Four and 20 to one. I have been a principled no on this bill from the beginning. What was wrong with the bill three months ago? What was wrong with the bill?

[1:10:06] It abandons the 250 years of criminal justice procedure in America. As written, this bill reveals and injures thousands of innocent people, witnesses, people who provided alibis, family members, etc. If enacted in its current form, this type of broad reveal of criminal investigative files released to a rabid media will absolutely result in innocent people being hurt. [1:10:26] Not by my vote. The Oversight Committee is conducting a thorough investigation that has already released well over 60,000 pages of documents from the Epstein case. That effort will continue in a manner that provides all due protections for innocent Americans. If the Senate amends the bill to properly address privacy of victims and or other Americans who are named but not criminally implicated, then I will vote for that bill when it comes back to the House. He's in that motherfucker. Well, that's a point, though, right? [1:10:56] People that had dinner over Epstein's house like Epstein had dinners and had celebrities go over his house like Chelsea Handler was one of the people that went over his house. I don't think Chelsea Handler is out there molesting kids. No, no, I get that. But I think. [1:11:09] we're past that. We're beyond that point now. - Right, you just have to be able to say, "Hey, I went to his house for dinner." - Yeah, I'm not saying, 'cause people try to do that to you with like pictures. They're like, if you was in a picture with somebody, they could, you know, but it's like, [1:11:23] It's the difference between being in a picture with somebody and being in 500 pictures with them. Right. You know what I mean? And flying to an island with them. Yeah. I think the... [1:11:30] Because this is a big problem, I mean, related back to what we were talking about earlier with Hollywood, too, is that I think a lot of these motherfuckers don't respect the public.

[1:11:38] They don't respect our intelligence. I think the average American is smart enough to know the difference between somebody that was just in there or somebody that testified than somebody that was [1:11:48] banging children. See, the thing is, the average American probably can tell the difference, but there are sub-average Americans. [1:11:57] individuals that all they want to know is you're on the list and they hear you're on the list and they might try to kill you and that that is a fact but here's the thing [1:12:05] The problem is – And I'm not advocating for not releasing the files. I'm just saying there's enough dumb, nutty people that will think that you're guilty. Yeah. [1:12:12] There's been so much obfuscation with this. It would be different if there was no pushback. [1:12:20] I think what's at stake is people's belief in the integrity of the process. That's already cooked. Oh, well, yeah. That's already cooked. But whatever, the last little shreds of it that are left is like, no more you getting to sift through and decide. Because it's easy to say that. But the truth is they want to be able to decide whose names get seen and whose names don't. And people aren't with that. And they shouldn't be with that. Or, or. [1:12:46] We agree with this guy, and then we let them Kennedy joints out. We've been waiting for them to think about it. They said the same thing about the Kennedy shit. Well, we don't want to hurt people. And every time they're supposed to release it, they kick it down the road. They released some new Kennedy documents, but I never heard anything come out of it. Yeah, it was supposed to have been released two or three presidents. There's no way those people are alive. Right. What we know is this. We know that, I forget who said it, but justice delayed is justice denied.

[1:13:16] fucking snakes kick the can down the road the more they get the obfuscate and muddy the waters no you know what trump said about the jfk files what he said uh i saw them and if you saw what i saw you wouldn't release them either [1:13:30] That's what I'm screaming. That's crazy. Yeah. What does that mean? What does that mean? I don't even, I can't even imagine what that means. What does that mean? What could that mean? [1:13:40] What does that mean? I don't know. Does that mean a foreign government? Does that mean our government? Does that mean the mafia? Does that mean a coordinated effort with all the above? What does that mean? I have no idea what it could possibly mean. That's crazy for something that happened in 1963. [1:13:57] Yeah. And and almost everyone involved, almost everyone that could be embarrassed somehow is dead. Sixty two years ago, man. So it would have to be something that like destroys an institution or something, something like this Epstein shit. Right. Like. But just the amount, the sheer amount of people with insane amounts of money that are attached to my conservative friends be like, they think that they think I give a fuck about a Democrat. [1:14:27] who in there. [1:14:28] I don't care who in there. You don't care. Put that shit in the street. Yeah. They think you do. Yeah. I don't have, I don't have a. Party identity. I don't have a favorite politician. I don't have, there's no, there's nobody. I don't give these motherfuckers money. [1:14:41] No, there's no politician that I love enough to do it because this is what's killing me. There's people out there that are literally like.

[1:14:50] Well, how old is 16, really? You know, like they're trying to justify, like, because they want to come out of this with a... [1:14:57] by still showing support, but, but they don't want to be connected to the crime. So they're trying to, they're still trying to justify their support of all of this. That's crazy. It's like, there's no population I love more than I love my country, or more than I have my principles of like, yeah, I think if you can't draw the line at kid fucking, then you probably. This episode is brought to you by Eight Sleep. Okay, when it comes to sleep, [1:15:18] I've got to have the right temperature dialed in, depending on the time of year that might be ripping hot. I'm talking volcanic or igloo levels of iciness. The point is, I need the temperature to be just right so I can get deep sleep, the kind of sleep that drives real recovery. And luckily, 8 Sleep is all about giving you the best sleep possible. [1:15:48] regulating the temperature on each side of the bed in real time. Why? So you and your partner can consistently hit your ideal deep restorative sleep range and wake up feeling truly refreshed and recovered. Use my code Rogan at 8sleep.com slash Rogan for up to $350 off the Pod 5 Ultra. The best part is that you get 30 days to try it at home and return it if you don't like it. [1:16:18] love your investment in better sleep. That's code Rogan at eightsleep.com slash Rogan.

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[1:18:17] They kicked him out of the family, and there hasn't even been, like, a former trial yet. It's not like he's been convicted. But what happens when you're not – they just walk you out the castle and you're just on the street? I don't know. I think he's in a house, like – [1:18:32] way out in the country. Like, you stay here. In my head, I just picture him, like, crying over some KFC because he's never eaten peasant food. I don't think he's eaten peasant food. So he's not a regular person. I think he's in a manor. [1:18:46] Like a beautiful home in the country. Okay, so being kicked out of the royal family doesn't mean that you lose everything. Who knows? I mean, what does he have? And where did he get it? Is it just money from the government? Because they do get paid by the government. They do, but I also think they're still dukes of something and lords of something. Here it says what he lost. So after being stripped of his royal titles and forced to leave his longtime residence at Royal Lodge, [1:19:16] Montbatten, Windsor, will relocate to accommodation in the Sandringham, Sandringham, how do you say that? [1:19:24] Sandrigam Estate in Norfolk [1:19:28] He is now excluded from royal duties and public life, and his status has been dramatically reduced. His status has been reduced. Loss of titles and status. Eviction from royal lodge. Relocation to Sandringham Estate. So he's relocated to an estate. [1:19:47] in the countryside. Public exclusion. He remains excluded from all royal engagements and official events except for private family gatherings. But that sounds sweet. I feel like, yeah, I mean, he's getting away with not having to be, you know, like not being in the public eye. That's it. Well, they were basically like, you know, all the parts about being a royal that suck. Yeah, you don't have to do those anymore. Look at this. Financial support. The king will provide for

[1:20:17] and security benefits have been [1:20:19] ended. Andrew has sought private business opportunities to support himself, but no public roles are expected. [1:20:26] Wow. Who's going to go into business with you, my guy? He wants to go into business. He's going to open up a Starbucks? Getting money from the king all this time. This whole thing is nuts because they get money, and I don't think they have to do anything. I don't think they have real function in government, do they? Bruh. [1:20:43] Where's the Sandringham Estates? Oh, that's where he got... Poor guy. That's so sad. That's so sad. They made him stay in that castle. Look how beautiful that place is. That is so nuts that this guy got kicked out of there. Bro. [1:20:59] He got kicked out of wherever the fuck he was, the royal law. Unless they tell me his punishment is like they give you that estate, but they take all the servants. Bro, look at the gardener's house. That's the gardener's house. [1:21:10] That's where the gardener lives. That fucking place is beautiful. [1:21:14] That is hilarious, dude. If they give him that place, but they don't give him no servants, and he just got to clean everything. He got to walk a mile to the kitchen. Yeah, he's got to do his own dishes. No, but this guy's living the life. So he just gets banished to a mansion. He don't got to do no public duties. And they probably just bring hoes out to the mansion. You think he gets a puppy? It's not like he stopped banging hoes. No. Right? I mean, I don't know what he's in trouble for. Right. That's the thing. They haven't told us. But to get kicked out of the royal family is wow. [1:21:44] They didn't even kick Meghan Markle out of the family. They racist.

[1:21:48] Legal and public impact... [1:21:50] What is this? These changes result from longstanding controversies over Andrew's association with Jeffrey Epstein and subsequent legal settlements. Oh, he's got settlements, particularly the civil case bought by Virginia Guffrey, which concluded without any admission of liability by Andrew, but resulted in a multimillion pound settlement. Do you know that there's... [1:22:10] the amount of money that's been paid out [1:22:13] to victims of Jeffrey Epstein is like $300 million so far. From where? I don't know. [1:22:19] Is that true? Yeah, but there's also a bunch of money that just moved after he died that [1:22:25] No one really understands you. [1:22:27] This is all so sketchy. Bro, I'm telling you, a lot of people, if they really release this shit in earnest... [1:22:33] A lot. It's going to be it's going to change everything. I hope I hope it's that powerful. [1:22:38] Do you think it will be? [1:22:40] Well, all I know is the most powerful person on earth has been doing a lot to keep that shit from coming out. And I don't I'm not like everybody else. I don't think Trump is in there in a. [1:22:51] criminal way. [1:22:53] But I think a lot of he has a lot of powerful friends that have been putting pressure on him to keep that shit under wraps. I think that definitely. I think it's going to be royal people. It's going to be prime ministers. It's going to be Supreme Court justices. It's going to be all type of president. Yeah. Some CEOs. It's going to be all type of shit in there. Scientists. Get it out. [1:23:10] Yeah. Get out. Yeah. Yeah. The world already. There's nothing to lose for America as a whole. What a crazy operation they were running. What a crazy thing.

[1:23:21] To have a bunch of people fly them out to an island that somehow or another you own... [1:23:25] Like, where'd you get the money to buy a fucking island, bro? It's not as expensive as you think. A whole island? Yeah. We looked at that island. [1:23:32] We were trying to buy it. Actually, I shouldn't say we're trying to buy it. We were thinking about it very briefly, but it was too expensive. It was like $55. It's not discounted now? That's a discount. That's the discounted price? Yes. Oh, okay. Okay. I would imagine it's worth well more than that. [1:23:48] Like if you buy a beautiful house in like Miami, a beautiful house in Miami might be $200 million if it's on the ocean. Those like crazy manors in like West Palm Beach. But it's like – but the island is basically haunted. You got to save the whole motherfucking thing. It's too late. You got to level it. You got to remove the dirt and go get dirt from some pristine island. [1:24:09] Yeah, you've got to remove everything. That's the same reason why we never bought the One World Theater. [1:24:15] The same thing. Oh, that weird cult. Yeah, the cult thing. I was like, oh, man, there's not enough sage in the world. Yeah. You have to come over with some holy water, anointing oil. That's a beautiful property. But I was like, what do they do to those poor people there? [1:24:29] you know and [1:24:31] that island is like i wouldn't be shocked if that dude was on there what was the name [1:24:35] um the cult leader of that cult well he had different names um [1:24:39] His first, I forget what his real name was. [1:24:43] um, [1:24:44] He had the same name as a boxer. I forget his fucking name. [1:24:47] What is the cult leader's name in Holy Hell?

[1:24:52] But he changed his name twice. So he had a fake name when he was teaching yoga in West Hollywood when he started the cults. And then when the Cult Awareness Network started going after him, because after Waco, they started going after all the cults. They're like, these motherfuckers are arming up. Like, this is dangerous. Let's find out. And also, it's like a lot of people lost their family members. Jaime Gomez. That's right. Yeah. [1:25:15] So he was Michel, and then he became Andreas once he came to Texas. So what happened was they were after him, and so this dude picks up shop and just moves to Austin. And just to throw people off, has his followers build a theater so he could dance in front of them. They built that. His followers built that theater. [1:25:39] and see i have a beautiful place for people to get sucked in stuff like that but but i feel like we know enough now where it's like if you're unsure if you're in a cult like as soon as the guy wants to fuck your wife you should be or your dad or right or just anyone this guy was fucking everybody as soon as the leader need to fuck your family yeah that's the red flag right there if there was no alarm bells before that point like when they when they [1:26:09] You know, when they started giving you duties as a servant, maybe you still help. But when they need to fuck... [1:26:14] your family members. I feel like that should be... That should set off all the alarms for you. I think they wait until you're deep in the cult before they bust that one out. Like David Koresh, didn't he wait a long time? I think they were already on the compound. He was like...

[1:26:30] God just told me I have to fuck your wife like for real it was one of that it was that dumb It was like that dumb like God spoke to him and told him that no one was allowed to have sex but him Everybody's wife group pressure is very powerful final sister like none of us are really above it You know, it's gonna be careful. None of us groups you around because yeah that pressure to conform you know Cuz cuz I guess that he's not just like I gotta fuck your wife, but he's surrounded by people going do it [1:27:00] dude you know cheering on with towels they have their little saying they say you know right [1:27:05] That pressure to... Praise Jesus. Yep. That pressure to please everyone. Mm-hmm. Yeah, because there's a certain type of person that gets sucked, roped into those things. Well, I always wonder about that. Like... [1:27:18] Is there a grand pattern to the universe? Is there a mathematical formulation that we exist in? [1:27:26] where you have to have a certain amount of gullible people and then a certain amount of devious people that try to trick people and con artists, and then a certain amount of people like you that are like, what the fuck is going on? Like that all of this sort of like dances together and balances itself out. And just like nature has predators and it has wounded antelope that get too close to the waterhole, all these things like kind of have to exist at the same time in order for progress to be made. [1:27:51] It seems like it's just a certain amount of people that are just born gullible. And not just gullible, but... [1:27:58] kind of like wanting to be tricked.

[1:28:02] He reportedly annulled marriages of couples who joined the sect and took multiple women as his spiritual wives, some of whom were very young girls. Former cult members have alleged that Koresh slept with wives of other members and maintained a harem, sometimes with women who were already married and fathered numerous children with various women. Koresh also instructed male followers to practice celibacy and surrender their wives to him. [1:28:32] and children often accompanied by allegations of sexual abuse and manipulation yeah see the thing is those guys they're not influential guys their their superpower is their ability to know who like they can they can sense who's broken in just the right way and come in and be daddy yeah you know can you imagine a motherfucker telling you to be celibate while he banging your wife crazy [1:28:58] Crazy. And you're living in a compound with him and he's heavily armed. And you gave him all your worldly possessions. And he sings and he's terrible. [1:29:06] We have to listen to him sing. You ever listen to him sing? Or he dancing on the stage that you built? [1:29:10] Listen, play some David Koresh movies. Yeah. [1:29:13] He would sing songs. They were terrible. He has music. Yeah, he was terrible. [1:29:18] Thank you. [1:29:19] Yeah, he was a musician. He was a frustrated musician. [1:29:22] Who became an evangelical? [1:29:25] I don't know. Give me one. I'm sure they all suck.

[1:29:34] Let's listen to David Koresh recorded in Waco, Texas, 1989. [1:29:38] If I was in that cult, I'd be like, there is no way. I think I want to let him fuck my wife now. [1:29:42] How about that name? Is that like the name of a woman he was trying to fuck? [1:29:47] Shoshanim? I mean, that's a weird name. [1:29:50] What does it say? Very unusual name. [1:29:53] I've never heard that name in my whole life. It probably was some girl he was trying to smash. Probably has to be. That's a bi-biblical. Oh. [1:30:00] Hebrew lilies... [1:30:04] Mentioned in Psalms 45 and 49, it is meaning... [1:30:09] Its meaning in these psalms is uncertain. Some believe it's kind of lily. Click on that, what it says. A kind of lily. What is that saying? Lily-shaped straight trumpet. What? [1:30:19] A six string trumpet. [1:30:21] A word commencing a song or the melody of which these psalms were to be sung. I don't even know. So it was probably some girl's name. [1:30:29] Yeah, I'll probably check. [1:30:31] I saw Lil and I was like, is that Lilith? [1:30:35] Do you know who Lilith is? You ever heard of Lilith? [1:30:37] You mean... [1:30:38] Like the demon? Well, Lilith was like apparently before Eve. [1:30:43] This is like [1:30:45] Now, again. [1:30:46] I don't know who to believe or who not to believe. I don't even know what scriptures show Lilith and what don't. Everything I know about Lilith is from Diablo lore. [1:30:57] Oh, that's funny. No, Lilith is like a character in ancient religious texts. Right. She's a daughter of. Who is? Well, we're going to find out because I'll butcher it. I'm very hesitant to say what I think it is because I don't really remember. She's a daughter of Beelzebub. This is I did. Wes Huff tell us about this. No. You know who told us about this? Kurt Metzger.

[1:31:19] Kurt Metzger was ranting and raving about Lilith. You don't know? You don't know about Lilith? There's a few different ones, but this is the one that he was talking about. Lilith is not a character in the Bible. Her name is only mentioned in one verse in the book of Isaiah. This one here. [1:31:31] Okay. Origin of the legend. The story of Lilith as Adam's first wife comes from later Jewish folklore, such as the alphabet of Bensira, which was not included in the canonical Bible. The legend's core story is, according to its folklore, Lilith was created from the earth at the same time as Adam, making her his equal. When she refused to be subservient to him, she left the Garden of Eden. [1:31:54] That sounds like... [1:31:56] A true story. Some interpretations claim that Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 describe two different creation stories and two different women. This is considered incorrect and ludicrous by many biblical scholars and theologians. [1:32:09] Evolution of the figure over time, Lilith's story evolved from a simple night demon from Mesopotamian cultures to more complex figure in Jewish tradition. In modern times, some have reclaimed her as a feminist symbol of independence and equality. [1:32:23] That's funny. [1:32:24] that Lilith fair that's where that Lilith fair that picture of Lilith that's from Diablo the video game I would play as that character can you play as her and fuck people up? no no no she's the bad guy but she fucks you up that would be a dope character for Quake if you could be Lilith and run around a map fucking people up I think you can be her in Fortnite or something nice I think they buy every but that's what she looked like? [1:32:45] In the game? In the game. Oh, yeah. And she's hard to beat. Yeah. Yeah, I've only beat her once. But I haven't played in a long time.

[1:32:52] Yeah, everything I know about her is from that game, and it sounds like it's all wrong. But isn't it funny that Shoshana Neem or whatever the fuck it is, they don't even know what that was? [1:33:00] Like it might have been a trumpet. It might have been a flute. It might have been a person. I don't know. It could have been a song. It could have been the way you sing. I bet you like a Hebrew scholar could probably tell you. Maybe. It seems like it's up for debate. That's the problem with a lot of really old shit. It's like they're just guessing. They're really old shit. They're just guessing. Like what are they trying to say in the book of Ezekiel? [1:33:22] What are they trying to say? Is it crazy? Oh, my God. I haven't read a Bible in like 20 years. Oh, the Ezekiel stuff's bananas, man. There you go. I asked Perplexity a little more about Shoshana and David Koresh. Was a group or entity related to the Branch Davidians cult led by David Koresh? A group or entity related to it? The name seems to refer to Koresh's followers who identified themselves as students of the seven seals. Oh, so they were his people. So he called his people that group. [1:33:52] you every time reflection reflect reflecting their focus on apocalyptic teachings derived from the bible's book of revelation koresh positioned himself as a messiah messianic figure calling himself the lamb who would open the seven seals an event that would lead to salvation and the apocalypse followers under koresh's leadership and ideology were sometimes referred to as koreshians you know it'd be crazy [1:34:17] What really would be crazy is if heaven was real... [1:34:21] and

[1:34:23] The murder, like them being murdered, sent them to heaven because those people were murdered. You ever see what the actual footage of when they stormed Waco? No. Oh, bro, it's crazy. They killed those people. They lit them on fire. They drove tanks into the buildings, and flames are shooting out of the tanks. They just cooked those people, not just Koresh, not just people. They're like, everybody, men, women, children. What were they trying to do in the first place, just have them disarmed? [1:34:53] The problem with – there's a lot – [1:34:56] To the story. And it seems like in the beginning, there might have been some governmental overreach, like they were trying to get a win. And they were trying to like, who described this to us? Was it Oliver Stone? [1:35:10] Who is telling – it might have been Daryl Cooper. Daryl Cooper has an amazing series all on the Waco – no, he doesn't. It's the Epstein files. He doesn't have – he has one on Guyana. That's what he has on. Somebody has one on Koresh. Is it Cooper? [1:35:28] So who has a series on Koresh? [1:35:31] I'm sorry, I'm blanking here, but the point is they wanted to win. [1:35:37] So they wanted to take out this cult, and so they exaggerated what they were doing, and they had to stand down. So they stood outside of the gates with fucking armored vehicles and cops and men with guns, and they waited them out. And eventually it escalated. It escalated to them getting agents on the roof. Agents on the roof got shot at by the people that were in the cult. And so then they started shooting at them, and it became a gunfight. And then they brought in tanks and lit it on fire and killed everybody.

[1:36:07] It is crazy. It is – the whole thing – there was a – I know there's a documentary on it as well that like details like all the different things that led up to the eventual storming of the compound. And did that – because what year did that happen? Was that like 80? Yeah, it was like – I think it was like in either the early 90s, like 90 or 80s. [1:36:28] What was it? The siege was in 93. Oh, was it really? 93. See, I don't remember that. I remember it. I remember it. Like, I vaguely remember hearing about it. [1:36:36] But in my mind, it's not like something that happened. Yeah. You know? Because that's the same. That was right in my own. This episode is brought to you by Chime. Chime is bringing something fresh to banking. J.D. Power just ranked them the number one choice for new bank accounts in America. And that's not a small thing. That means real people, millions of them, are choosing this over traditional banks. That's because banking at Chime is fee-free. No monthly fees. No overdraft fees. [1:37:06] and thousands of free ATMs. But here's the real kicker. If you get their Chime card, it gives you 5% cash back on a category that you actually pick yourself. [1:37:17] Your savings rate, nine times the national average. That's crazy high. Go to chime.com slash Rogan. Takes a few minutes to sign up. Chime is a fintech, not a bank. Banking services and Chime card provided by Chime's bank partners. Terms and limits apply. Go to chime.com slash disclosures for more details.

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[1:39:31] put that into perplexity Ruby Ridge this one's a crazy story because the Ruby Ridge story is like totally avoidable and horrific like they shot a mother while she was holding her baby like crazy this was like a family of like preppers they were like out in the woods and you know maybe the guy was like a little radical but they completely escalated it was this in Texas too? no I don't remember where that was [1:40:01] where was that? Idaho [1:40:03] Okay. Incident was an 11-day standoff in August of 1992 in Boundary County, Idaho, involving Randy Weaver, his family, and a friend, Kevin Harris, against U.S. Marshals and FBI agents. It began when U.S. Marshals sought to arrest Randy Weaver for failing to appear in court on federal firearms charges related to the sale of a modified shotgun. [1:40:33] Samuel was killed by gunfire. Kevin Harris, a family friend, shot and killed Deputy Marshal William Deegan during the exchange. FBI hostage rescue team was called in, and during a sniper shot, Randy Weaver was wounded. [1:40:46] The sniper's second shot, intended for Harris, also hit and killed Weaver's wife, Vicki, who was holding their infant daughter. [1:40:54] behind a cabin door. The siege ended when negotiators, including activist Bo Gritz, convinced Weaver and Harris to surrender. Harris was arrested on August 30th, and Weaver, with his daughter, surrendered the next day.

[1:41:07] Criticism later arose over the FBI's rules of engagement and use of deadly force, particularly the constitutional legality of the sniper's second shot that killed Vicki Weaver. The standoff highlighted tensions. [1:41:19] Between federal law enforcement and citizens, especially among anti-government and white separatist groups, Weaver and Harris were charged with several offenses but were acquitted of the most severe charges except Weaver's conviction for failure to appear in court. [1:41:35] Interesting. [1:41:36] that were both acquitted [1:41:38] Damn. They got in a firefight with the feds and they were acquitted. Kevin Harris popped it off. Look at that statement. Weaver and Harris were charged with several offenses but were acquitted of the most severe charges except Weaver's conviction for failure to appear in court. That's all they got him for. Failure to appear in court. [1:41:56] They killed his wife. [1:41:58] They shot his kid. [1:42:00] They killed his kid. They killed his dog. [1:42:02] And it was because he failed to appear in court because he sold a modified gun. [1:42:07] I don't even know what that means. Was it a sawed-off shotgun, which is illegal? Did he change the trigger? What did he do? Something. Did he put a large magazine at the bottom of it? Like, what did he do that was illegal? [1:42:18] That's crazy. But also, why are they allowed to kill your dog? [1:42:22] Exactly. Because that's what popped it all off, right? Oh, you want to hear one of the worst ones of that? There was a mayor. [1:42:28] I forget [1:42:29] What he was the mayor of... [1:42:32] It might have been Washington, D.C., but he was a mayor. [1:42:36] He had a postman that was doing some sneaky shit, and the postman was getting weed delivered to his house because they figured if I get it – I'm delivering the mail to the mayor's house. And if I get the weed delivered to the mayor's house, no one is going to check the mayor's packages for weed. So I know which one my friend sent.

[1:42:56] to the mayor's house, I'll just take that and that way, you know, I'll have the weed and no one will be any the wiser. Well, unfortunately, someone was tracking that package and they knew that that weed was going to this particular address. They didn't know it was the mayor's house. So they stormed the mayor's house, shoot his fucking golden retriever, chase it out in the yard while it's cowering and shoot it. You've been around my golden retriever. Golden retrievers are not biting anybody ever. [1:43:24] Ever. They're the worst guard dogs in the history of the world. Anybody who comes into my house like, hey, you want to give me a treat? Like, he loves everybody. [1:43:31] And they shot his dogs. They fucking zip-tied his family. [1:43:36] Checked the whole house for weed, couldn't find anything, and then – [1:43:39] eventually it unraveled and they realized what had happened. Like the guy who was... [1:43:44] delivering his mail was also involved in this weed dealer. [1:43:48] And they didn't piece it together until after they shot this guy's fucking dogs. But who's they? [1:43:54] The cops, the SWAT team, they burst down his door. They did the whole thing, man. [1:44:00] They came in guns, armor, fucking zip-tied everybody. They thought they were breaking into the house of like a drug. That's how bad their information is. It sounds like they need some weed. See if you can find that story. [1:44:10] Because it's a very, it's a crazy story. And it was so heartbreaking. Because the family had to, the kids had to see their dog get shot by these cops for fucking no reason. No reason. They really got to start letting cops smoke weed. [1:44:25] I think some mushrooms. Weed's not strong enough. But something to... But also, it's like...

[1:44:33] therapy and you know also it's like hey no for sure like really do an investigation do you how about find out who lives there oh my god it's the mayor or like if you shoot a govon retriever you should probably have to retire so here it is maryland [1:44:48] So police say Maryland mayor appears to be innocent victims of a scheme by two men to smuggle millions of dollars worth of marijuana by having it delivered to about a half a dozen unsuspecting recipients. So he was one of the many people that this guy delivered mail to. [1:45:02] So he got home from work, saw a package addressed to his wife on the front porch, brought it inside, putting it on a table. Suddenly, police with guns drawn kicked in the door, stormed in, shooting to death the couple's two dogs and seizing the unopened package. [1:45:15] In it were 32 pounds of marijuana, but the drugs evidently didn't belong to the couple. Police say the couple appeared to be innocent victims of a scheme by two young men to smuggle millions of dollars of marijuana, unsuspecting recipients. Two men under the arrest include a FedEx delivery man. Investigators said the delivery man would drop off a package outside of a home, and the other man would come by a short time later and pick it up. [1:45:37] Wow. [1:45:38] Isn't that crazy? [1:45:40] And but only hold on so only the only the Dawson died though. [1:45:44] Our dogs were our children. [1:45:46] police apparently killed the dogs, he said, for sport, gunning down one of them as it was running away. Our dogs were our children, said the 37-year-old Calvo. Two labs. Oh, they were labs. Oh, they were black labs. I thought they were golden retrievers. I fucked it up. Our dogs were our children. Again, labs, same thing. Labs aren't biting anybody. The sweetest dogs in the world. Said the 37-year-old Calvo, they were our reason we brought this house because it had a big yard for them to run in.

[1:46:13] I'm humble. I'm fucking believable. He was handcuffed in his boxer shorts for about two hours, along with his mother in law, said the officers didn't believe him. We told them he was the mayor. [1:46:24] No charges were brought against Calvo or his wife, who came home in the middle of the raid. Fuck, man. [1:46:30] Thank you. [1:46:31] They ain't even apologize for killing the dogs. [1:46:35] Killed labs, bro. If you find a wash, but I just um, I just so sad. I just came from Tulsa, Oklahoma, but like the [1:46:43] You're like the Tulsa Massacre. [1:46:46] What's the Tulsa massacre? It was like Black Wall Street. It was like... [1:46:49] What was this? This was... [1:46:51] the 20s, I think, or maybe the 1910s, like the 1910s, where like after the trails, the trails of tears, well, the civilized tribes, basically they were told that they could have Oklahoma. [1:47:02] because the land smelled funny, the air smelled funny, whatever. And then they found oil, and that set off a whole bunch of shit. Because now you've got a bunch of natives and freed slaves... [1:47:13] that's about to be rich. So you ever, you see that movie, the Flower Moon movie? No, I didn't see it. Oh, but it's kind of like that. Like they would... [1:47:20] Because they couldn't sell their land. Some tribes couldn't sell their land, so you had to marry into the family. [1:47:26] And then if you killed everybody, it was yours. Really? Yeah. And so but Tulsa was black Wall Street, but it was like the Greenwood area. [1:47:37] of Tulsa and it was basically like a prosperous, wealthy black community and there was a riot one night and they burned it all down and

[1:47:45] And so they did this because of oil? No. Well, that was the backdrop for Oklahoma. But but. [1:47:52] They did this just because of racial jealousy. Oh, they did it because they were doing well? Yeah, they were doing too well. And there was a lot of racial tension in the community. [1:48:02] because the whole idea behind institutional racism is that poor white people don't mind being taken advantage of because they know [1:48:09] that is [1:48:10] black people somewhere that's doing worse than them. But that doesn't work if you live next to dudes that's dress as better than you. They got cars. They got thriving business. And it got racial. The National Guard came in [1:48:21] And that was all stuff I learned before I went there, but then I went to the museum there. [1:48:28] And I bring this up just because it would blow your mind how recently – [1:48:34] I [1:48:35] They just now acknowledged it like five years ago. [1:48:40] Right. This all happened because I was at the comedy club I was at. I mentioned to the owner, I was like, I've stayed in Hilton's all over the place. Why does my Hilton say, why does it have these pure things everywhere to tell you that the air is clean and the water is clean? And he was like, oh, yeah, they just started filtering the water that goes to the north side of town like a few years ago, like the black side of town. I was like, what? Like how long? How recently? He was like 20. And me and my friend was like 20.

[1:49:10] He was like, have you not been to the museum? I was like, no. And so we went over there and it was like, it was a heavy day. Bro, this is crazy. Look at this statistics here. [1:49:19] How many blocks? 35 square blocks of the neighborhood. Yeah, yeah. [1:49:26] At the time, one of the wealthiest black communities in the United States, colloquially known as Black Wall Street, more than 800 people were admitted to hospitals. As many as 6,000 black residents of Tulsa were interned, many of them for several days. The Oklahoma Bureau of Vital Statistics officially recorded 36 dead. [1:49:43] Wow. Yeah. And so they just now started like the guy told me. Look at this estimates from up to from 36 to up to around 300 dead. [1:49:55] 35 blocks. Yeah, they don't know how many are there because it was a lot of mass graves and stuff that they just started looking for. Holy shit, man. But even still to this day, they're not allowed to teach about it in schools. Like... [1:50:08] They just now started being allowed to teach about it, but they're not allowed to say who was who. Even the YouTube video is age restricted. I was going to show it to you, but the account I'm on. [1:50:18] Yeah, this this shit was crazy. And so and so, Joe, if you want to if you want to feel real uncomfortable. So I'll go in the museum and they have these holograms. [1:50:27] So you sit in a barber chair, [1:50:30] and you can see yourself in the mirror, but there's a hologram of a barber, like cutting your hair. And there's three of them in a row. And they're like having a conversation about, [1:50:38] what's going on around town it's it's heavy bro

[1:50:42] Wow. Put that back up. [1:50:43] So the cause of it, they're saying... [1:50:47] So it says the massacre began during Memorial weekend after a 19-year-old Dick Rowland, a black shoeshiner, was accused of assaulting Sarah Page, a white 21-year-old elevator operator in nearby Drexel Building. He was arrested and rumors that he was to be lynched spread. [1:51:17] and demanded that he hand over his pistol. Man refused, and the old man attempted to disarm him. A gunshot went off, and then, according to the sheriff's reports, all hell broke loose. The two groups shot at each other until midnight, when the group of black men were greatly outnumbered and forced to retreat to Greenwood. Fuck. [1:51:37] At the end of the exchange of gunfire, 12 people were dead. [1:51:40] Ten white and two black. [1:51:42] Alternatively, another eyewitness account was that the shooting began down the street from the courthouse when black business owners came to the defense of a lone black man being attacked by a group of around six white men. [1:51:54] It is possible the eyewitnesses did not recognize the fact that this incident was occurring as a part of a rolling gunfight that was already underway. Holy fuck, man. Yeah, shit. [1:52:04] shit went down in Greenwood. And the thing is, it's still not back. So... [1:52:09] So then they... [1:52:11] they put a highway right through the middle of that neighborhood.

[1:52:17] And it completely destroyed all of the economy and everything. Wow. Yeah, man. And I... [1:52:26] like I thought I knew about [1:52:29] this shit, but then when I went there, it was real intense for me. But then we ate some good-ass food, though. It was me and Lucas McCurry, and when we got done, when we got back to the hotel, he was like, oh, that's the blackest day I've ever had. I was like, might be mine, too. This is the place? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's called the [1:52:48] Oh, wow. [1:52:51] It's called the Black Wall Street Museum. [1:52:55] And they just recently admitted this? [1:52:59] they admitted it [1:53:01] probably in like 2010 or something like that they acknowledged it i mean everyone already knew but now they're just now getting to the point where they're allowed to like teach it but they but they still aren't allowed to say what the people look like so they they can say group a did this and group b did that but they can't say black white they can't say clan this you know really yeah they still won't say people's certain people's names because these are like gut [1:53:25] Because the Klan is heavily involved, too. When you go to the museum, there's a Klan ledger of the meeting... [1:53:33] you know, like a roll call. [1:53:35] Yeah, it was a wild ass, it's wild out there in Oklahoma. And the thing is, they still haven't recovered. That neighborhood is still not recovered. [1:53:43] I mean, it never will at this point. The history of Oklahoma is so crazy. Oklahoma is not. Well, that's the thing. So we get done the tour. We walk out of the tour guide and I walk past this guy. I didn't know he was one of the guides because we didn't take a guide. We just walked through the museum ourselves.

[1:53:58] And he goes, you look familiar. And I was like, you probably know me from comedy. Well, he was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he is like the guide. And then we walked around with him for like an hour. Oh, wow. And he just he told us he was like, yeah, they don't even say everything. So this is also blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He took us to like all these historical spots. [1:54:18] And we ate at this place called Sweet Lisa's, which, bro, you could taste... [1:54:22] You could taste the struggle, the season, everything, the season, just perfection. You know what I mean? You could just tell this recipe came from the ancestors. It was incredible. And it's like in this little shop, they just got indoor seating. [1:54:37] - Wow. - Yeah, it was almost like, [1:54:42] I guess because in my mind, it's easy to learn about shit like that and think of it as something that happened a long time ago. But then to be there and realize, like, they still haven't come all the way back. You know, you see that photo of that lady, that Native American lady at the front door where she's breastfeeding a child. You've seen it. Oh, the mothership. Yeah. Here here in this room. Oh, no. I went outside. You never saw it. No, no. [1:55:04] You know that one – you've seen the painting of a Native American face that's on bullets? It's like all the back. You've seen that? That's Quanah Parker. That lady, Cynthia Ann Parker, she was kidnapped by Comanches in Oklahoma. So what they used to do in Oklahoma is – this is so dark. They would give people these plots of land knowing they were going to get attacked by the Comanches. Like, hey, you could go live out here.

[1:55:34] the [1:55:34] They started conflict to try to conquer these territories by just having people go out there and get shot at and get killed and get slaughtered. And then eventually they would have to send the army out. And then they won. After a long time, they eventually went through that and went through here where Texas, the Comanche ran this place too. But they killed her whole family and they stole her when she was nine years old and they kept her because they had a hard time having children. [1:56:04] Yeah. [1:56:18] was the last of that tribe. She gave birth to Quanah Parker, who was the last chief of that tribe. She married the chief of the tribe. She had a baby with him. That baby, that half-American baby, was Quanah Parker. He was the last chief of the Comanches. [1:56:34] So now there's no more Comanches? I mean, they still exist, but they don't have a reservation. Like, you know, like they don't have territory. Oh, word. They were nomadic. And they ran all, I mean, I'm sure, is there a Comanche reservation? We should find that out. Probably not. But they don't get represented because they didn't have art. It's a crazy civilization. Well, the dude was telling me that, like, so there were four tribes considered the civilized tribes. Mm-hmm. [1:57:00] and [1:57:01] Those are people that agreed to like stop fighting the United States to like learn English and

[1:57:06] to like be Christian, those kind of things. And they were promised Oklahoma knowing that it was already commanded. So they got out there and got the, you know. Yeah, the United States government did that with everybody. The Comanche Nation is a federally recognized tribe headquartered in Lawton, Oklahoma. But do they have a reservation there? [1:57:24] There's no longer a Comanche reservation in Texas, the historical one established in 1854 near Clear Fork of the Brazos River in present-day Throckmorton County. The Comanche were later forced to relocate to Indian Territory, now known as Oklahoma, in 1859 after the reservation was closed. [1:57:42] dissolved, and the current Comanche nation is based in Oklahoma. So it seems like they don't have a reservation. Bro, it's mad history that I'm so ignorant about. Got to read this book, Empire of the Summer Moon. Get it on audio. It's incredible. Empire of the Summer Moon? Empire of the Summer Moon. Look at it right now. It's all about the Comanche in Texas and in Oklahoma. But that's part of the story. So what I was getting at is the history of Oklahoma is just seeped in violence. And it's still not fixed. It can't be. [1:58:12] No. Well, I bet. A lot of people want to move to a place where they don't get fucked with as much. You know what California is called? What's it called again? Empire of the Summer Moon. Hmm. [1:58:22] um... [1:58:24] You know what California is proposing? [1:58:26] I don't know if they're going to do this, if they're going to be able to pull this off, but there's a new wealth tax. [1:58:30] That's basically they're going to tax your savings account. I've looked that up. It's only for 200 billionaires. [1:58:36] What?

[1:58:36] is what that's for. [1:58:38] What does that mean? [1:58:39] It's not for like every person. [1:58:41] Okay. [1:58:42] Even if it's for 200 billionaires, that's their fucking money. If you have a savings account, that means you paid taxes already. [1:58:49] Like that's the only way you get a savings account. They're taxing billionaires' savings accounts? This is what I was reading today when people were talking about the proposition, this proposition of a wealth tax for savings accounts. That sounds – if I'm not reading into this incorrectly, it sounds crazy. Whatever. I'm just saying. I understand. But why? Why do you get to have a one-time tax of money that's already taxed? [1:59:19] a recent one for a one-time 5% tax on individuals with a net worth of over $1 billion. Yeah, I'm with Jamie on this. Fuck them. Yeah, but not fuck them because that could be you someday. Here's the thing. It's like it starts with them and then it trickles down to someone who's worth $500,000 or $5 million or whatever. 5% on money that you've already been taxed for. [1:59:41] And then it goes to what, though? When you say fuck them, all it does is make more bloated government because what are they going to do? They're going to spend it wisely? They never spend any money wisely. The reason I say fuck them is because most of these billionaires, they go out of their way not to pay the taxes they're supposed to pay anyway. It's not like they're getting taxed. A lot of these motherfuckers don't even pay any taxes. Oh, that's not true. No, they all pay taxes. Everyone pays taxes. It's just taxes on what?

[2:00:11] by the company. [2:00:12] Like that's how – like so when someone's worth X amount of money, that's not like how much money they have liquid. Right, right. I get it. That's a lot of it. But the point is – [2:00:21] No, the government should not be taking your money that's already been taxed. If that's if I'm reading into this correctly. So if you get a paycheck from the mothership and then, you know, you do your taxes and then you take that money and you put it in a savings account. You've already paid your taxes. [2:00:38] So if you've already paid your taxes on that money, how can they tax money that you've already taxed? I don't know. That's – [2:00:43] Crazy. I don't give a fuck how much money they own. I don't care how much – if there's a loophole in the tax code, fix the loophole. But if it's there and that's the law and they're able to skirt around that law in whatever way that's legal, you don't get to steal their money. According to The Washington Post, this is from a health care workers union. That's a recent proposal, and it will go to fund health care spending. [2:01:06] It still has to be voted on also. [2:01:09] But either way, all you're doing is taking money from people. [2:01:13] And the group believes this could raise about $100 billion. Right. And what would they do with it? What do they do with the fire money? [2:01:21] What happened to all the money that was raised for the Pacific Palisades fire? Does anybody know? [2:01:25] That was a charity being corrupt. That wasn't the government. Right. But this is what I'm saying. It's the same thing. It's a group of people. You're giving them a bunch of money, and they're supposed to allocate it in a positive way. Whether it's the government or whether it's a charity, who fucking trusts anybody that's doing these things to be wise with the money where it makes sense? Where you're a billionaire going, you know what? I like it. Take my 5%, and we're going to fix crime. You know, I'm fixing shit. You're just going to take my money, and you're just going to be more incompetent.

[2:01:54] You know, when Gavin Newsom got into office, they had a surplus. [2:01:59] California had a surplus. Really? Yes. [2:02:03] Why don't you Google that? What was the... [2:02:06] What was the surplus of California during the time where Gavin Newsom... [2:02:12] was... [2:02:13] the governor, how much is the deficit? I only hear surplus with regard to Bill Clinton, bro. They spent twenty four billion dollars on the homeless crisis and it got worse. [2:02:24] So this is what I'm saying. You're going to take tax money and you're going to do what with it? In 2022, California Governor Gavin Newsom announced record-breaking budget surplus of approximately $97.5 billion, which was projected to fund new initiatives like cash payments to residents and investments in drought relief, childcare, and education. [2:02:54] overestimating revenues from a booming stock market that later declined, coupled with increased spending commitments during the surplus period. By 2024, Newsom was proposing a budget... [2:03:07] to close a multi-billion dollar deficit. [2:03:11] which required spending cuts and other measures to balance a budget. So, [2:03:15] the surplus of $97.5 billion. [2:03:20] It became a multi-billion dollar deficit. [2:03:24] In two years. Because of the stock market? It seems like there's a lot of stuff.

[2:03:27] overestimating revenues, increased spending commitments. [2:03:32] which is probably a big part of it. They probably spent too much money during the surplus period. [2:03:37] But the point is it's mismanagement. What if they only tax the people that's on the Epstein list? You only get so much. Just take all their money. Yeah, if you're on the list, take all your money. They'd probably only get a few hundred billion dollars. That's the thing. It's like at the end of the day – [2:03:51] And they're going to blow through that money. It sounds crazy, but they're going to blow through that money. They blow through all the money. [2:03:57] But, you know, I mean, it's not fair on paper, but it's hard to have empathy for people that have way more than the people. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. I'm not having empathy. I'm just recognizing the law. [2:04:07] And recognizing where this goes. The problem with any decision that we make on people that have more money than us, eventually it's going to trickle down to you. [2:04:17] Because if they could just tax these people because there's only 200 of them, they can't really talk too much shit. You're like, okay, but why are you doing that? If they did something illegal to get that money and you're going to punish them for that, I'm all with you. But if they have the money and then it's in their savings account and then you decide to tax the savings account because you need money to do what? More incompetent bullshit? That's the problem. They're not competent. If you're going to take that 5% and you knew this is going to be what cleans up the Palisades, [2:04:47] education, but it's not! [2:04:49] It's not going to do anything. The homeless crisis gets worse. It's bigger than ever. Well, that's a whole – the homeless thing is a whole racket because I experienced that firsthand.

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[2:06:52] It's just people making money. That money isn't going to actually help anybody that's on the streets. I mean, it kind of is, but not really. [2:07:00] You know, it's there's so many charities that are dirty, just like people that are dirty. You know, like those creepy guys who pretend to be male feminists and, you know, they're really a piece of shit. [2:07:10] You know what I mean? Like that's the type of people that set up charities, but they really just want the money. Like there's people that have run charities where the charity makes – the actual thing makes like 6%, 10% of the money generated. [2:07:23] Most of it goes to the people and they have lavish lifestyles. They get paid tremendous salaries to run charity. The shelter I was living in, the guy that was running the place got... [2:07:36] He got high, and then the executive had to show up, and he pulled up in a fucking phantom with a fancy-ass suit on and a nice-ass one. I was like, hold on. How the fuck is he? Because that's the first time it hit everybody. Like, oh, this isn't him. It's a business. Yeah, it's a business. Yeah. It's a business. They're generating income, spending the least amount possible, providing you with the least amount of care that they have to, and then pocketing the rest and say we've got a high overhead, very high overhead. As long as nobody dies. Yeah. Because that's the thing. [2:08:06] racket and everyone knows it's like all wink wink but they were the rules actually applied to the actual homeless residents yeah but it was all nonsense it's like they were real strict about you make sure you sign in these papers saying you were doing these activities because they were getting grants for those things exactly but

[2:08:23] I was like, well, just put my signature in there. This is all bullshit. [2:08:26] But yeah, I think most charities are scam. Most charities have an element of scam. Yeah, there's a lot of legitimate charities out there for sure. There's a lot of really good charitable people out there for sure. Well, real people that are doing charities for the right reasons. Yeah, the workers, a lot of the workers are in there for the right reason. Yes. But it's just like it's just like colleges, right, where it's like it's. [2:08:46] It's just that the entity has become so bloated with – because I think – can you look it up, Jamie? Most of like the top universities, most of their money goes towards administration. Yeah. [2:08:57] So they've just, you know, first they hire people to collect the money and then they had to hire more people to watch over those people. Then more people get more. And then before you know it. [2:09:07] The whole... [2:09:08] admin side is so bloated that the college gets upside down if they don't raise tuition. You know, it just keeps going and it just keeps going and going and going and going. And then they have donors, which is weird. Yeah, I don't understand how that works. Crazy amounts of money people donate to colleges. Yeah, the people love their alma maters, but there must be a tax thing too. Where does the money from most universities go? The money from most universities primarily goes towards faculty and staff salaries. [2:09:36] student services and campus maintenance. Significant portion is also allocated to research, academic programs and scholarships. Universities spend on maintaining buildings and facilities, supporting student housing and dining, health care, technology upgrades and activities like sports and events, government funding, tuition, investments, grants, donations, blah, blah, blah, blah. Eventually administrative costs and strategic initiatives also consume parts of the budget.

[2:10:01] Overall, salaries and wages usually make up the largest expenditure category for universities. So it's salaries. [2:10:08] They get a lot of money. It's salary for the admin people, the fucking coaches. Some of those coaches. Well, there's weird gigs that people have where a major university will pay someone like a half a million dollars a year to do stuff. Does Elizabeth Warren get paid from Harvard still? [2:10:28] You know who had one of them gigs? Biden. He had one of them gigs where they gave him like a million dollars a year and he pretended he was a professor. And then he said, when I taught law at Penn State or wherever it was. [2:10:43] He taught a lot. It was like Professor of America. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he never taught class. Like, it's all horse shit. Oh, he was never anybody. He got one of them sweet gigs where you get money from the university. Bro, sign me up. Those are like mafia jobs. Yeah, I'll take a bullshit job in my heart. Elizabeth Warren, currently United States Senator. [2:11:00] She's on leave from her teaching position at Harvard and no longer receives a salary from the university. Her current annual salary as a senator is $174,000. [2:11:09] She and her husband, also a Harvard professor, report additional income from book royalties and investments. [2:11:16] Her salary for this 2010 to 2011 was reported at $429,000. This figure came under scrutiny during her first Senate campaign with critics mischaracterizing it as payment for teaching only one class. PolitiFact rated this claim half true because the amount covered a two-year period in which she taught two classes.

[2:11:46] and researcher [2:11:48] Stop mischaracterizing Elizabeth, Joe. What is her net worth? Put that in there. [2:11:54] Thank you. [2:11:55] Net worth. [2:11:56] That's not going to be accurate. [2:11:57] Let's find out. Bro, this shit's always wrong. [2:12:01] It's not a good place to look. Because the net worth shit, the internet, they said I'm worth $4 million. I said, where the fuck that money at? Maybe they just say you should be. I think people just be making up shit. Well, they definitely do that. They definitely make up stuff, especially those websites. That's like some Indian website. Some scammer dude is just faking it. [2:12:22] Just trying to get clicks. Maybe they say... [2:12:26] It says an estimated – this is in – [2:12:30] Open secrets. Oh, in the Senate. In the Senate. So an estimated net worth of seven million nine hundred and seventy seven thousand dollars in 2018. [2:12:41] That was in 2018 she was worth that much. Isn't there an app where you can match the stock trades of senators? Yes, the Pelosi tracker. [2:12:49] Oh, it's just her? Yeah, she's the best. Oh. She's the GOAT. So if you just make all the same moves she makes, you'll be good? Yeah, you'll make some money. Yeah, 100%. Especially if you act quick. [2:12:59] I'm sure there's a lot of people doing exactly what she does the moment she does it. I've got to get one of those guys and just be like, put it all on. Because she makes... [2:13:05] Okay, now she's worth $30 million. No, no, no, no, no. What's that? This is the Pelosi tracker. Oh. There's 14,557 copiers. I was going to say she's worth way more than $30 million, right? They've invested that much money. Isn't she worth like a couple hundred million?

[2:13:19] I think so. Yeah. She's worth a lot. She's about to retire. Of course. She's got $400 million. She's a million years old. Why is she still working? [2:13:28] Crazy. Yeah. Imagine working at that age, 82. I think they're addicted to the power. You can't have – Let's bring up Marjorie Taylor Greene's recent stock trades. Oh, she's been making some stock trades? Yeah, it follows everybody. Bro, they all do. It follows everyone. They all do. They all do. I think that should be illegal. It should be illegal. I don't think anyone in the federal government should be able to trade stocks. Well, especially with stuff where you have some inside knowledge about a bill that's going to be passed. [2:13:58] very good for some corporation. Right. Or they all have to invest. There's a non-partisan government agency where they can put all their money they want to invest that invests everyone's money in the same thing. No, no, no. No? Because you start doing that and then you've got more corruption, more room for bureaucracy, more room for bullshit. You've got too much money flowing around. They're not going to be eating with that. So what do you say to the argument that they should be able to? No. No? No, you're insider trading. What if they just tell people to do it for them? [2:14:25] How do you stop that? Well, that's what they're supposed to be doing now. Yeah, I mean, what's the end? No, that could be a problem. But at least then they could catch you, and you can get in trouble. That's how insider trading works. So say if they do that, and they do it through WhatsApp or something like that, and then the government gets access to your WhatsApp, and then they find out you've been trading. That was the email thing with the lady getting emailed during it. If it were up to me, it'd be Judge Dredd shit.

[2:14:52] We're like women you get you get four terms and then they take you out and they just put you put you out in the desert with nothing. They take all your shit, donate it back to the people and they just send you out. You was you were in charge for, you know, have a long and now get the fuck out of here. Look, there's no way you make one hundred and seventy thousand dollars a year and you're worth. [2:15:10] Thank you. [2:15:11] Let's say she's worth $180 million. I've heard it's a lot more than that. I've heard estimates as high as $400 million. [2:15:19] There's no way. [2:15:20] a regular person who makes $170,000 a year ever gets there and keeps that $170,000 a year job. Get the fuck out of here. There's not a chance in hell you keep that $170,000 a year job where you're working eight hours a day, every fucking day, and on the side. [2:15:37] You've racked up $400 million. Well, bitch, that's what you're good at. Imagine if you were doing that all day long while you've been working in the Senate. [2:15:45] You would have even more money. Are you crazy? You're wasting all your valuable time and resources doing a job that pays you $170,000 a year. But it has nothing to do with your investments. Why would you even suspect that it has anything to do with the profit that I make from my investments? Is she the richest person in Congress? [2:16:02] She's got to be up there. She can't be. Well, there's probably some billionaires who signed up and won and got into office somewhere. There's probably a lot of them. But they're all – the thing is they're all richer when they leave. Well, Bloomberg, wasn't he like a multi-billionaire when he became the mayor of New York City? I don't know. I think he was. [2:16:19] Michael Bloomberg is crazy rich.

[2:16:22] I think he was a billionaire while he became mayor because he wanted to fix New York City because he loved it. [2:16:27] That's all. [2:16:28] Did it work? I don't know. I was just there. It was nice. Worth $109 billion estimated. Yeah. He's worth a lot of money. Imagine. Richest person in the world. Those sandwiches you put up? Ooh, Giovanni's Italian Deli, bro. [2:16:43] You can barely get your mouth on them. They're like that big. I want them to come out here. I want them to open up a deli out here. You talking to him about it? He said he would be interested in doing it. [2:16:54] I mean, look, he's a fucking hilarious character. He's a very funny guy. And his food is fucking sensational. And all of it gets imported from Italy. So he can import it from Italy. All the ingredients? Yes. Everything is imported from Italy. Or the mortadella, the mozzarella, all that stuff. So he's getting it all from Italy. [2:17:14] All the sun-dried peppers. Bro, it's sensational. [2:17:18] I mean, it looks good. I've still never had a chance to try it. Next time. Next time I go to New York, you're coming with me. All right. [2:17:24] Bro, you're going to feel so bad the next day, though. Oh, my God. Sunday, I was like, I'm not eating anymore. I looked like I was pregnant. My stomach was out like that far. I ate so much. He gave me a four-foot-long sandwich, dude. [2:17:37] It was four feet long. I just kept stuffing it in my fat face. Yeah, I was kidding. I ate meatballs. I ate four or five cannolis. I ate so much. I should not have gone that deep. What, do they cater to the event? Why do they drop off giant sandwiches? He just does it for me.

[2:17:54] I've blown him up online. I've blown him up on the podcast. [2:17:58] Deli's killing it. That's a good guy. He's a great guy. And I found them just randomly. GNR Deli in the Bronx. That's how I found them. After you left. [2:18:06] What do you mean? After you left New York. This is like – Oh, yeah. This is recently. This is like within a couple of years. I – you know, because most of the time I eat really clean. [2:18:15] Most of the time it's just meat. But when I go off, [2:18:18] I like to really go off. I've seen you literally eat like a hostage, like somebody that just got released. It's a problem. I'm a real glutton, man. I eat massive. It's not just eating food that I shouldn't be eating. I'll eat a massive amount of it. Yeah. Some good pasta. It's hard to stop. I can't stop. It's hard to stop. Yeah. Well, so I ate at this place, Teresi, with my wife on Friday night. That was incredible. It was Italian food. I ate way too much there. [2:18:48] And then the next day, Giovanni shows up with these two giant four-foot sandwiches. But my rule is when I'm in New York, all bets are off. All that diet shit's out the window. I'm eating for fun. I'm just eating for fun when I'm in New York. My greedy ass. I ate a Dai Due. How do you say that? Oh, Dai Due. I had a Dai Due on Sunday, and then I did Sushi by Scratch last night. Oh, my gosh. Shout out to Jesse Griffiths. Jesse's the head chef and the owner of Dai Due. He's the man. Bro. [2:19:18] that. I stumbled onto that place and I thought I was putting you on. You were like, "Oh, I know that guy." Yeah, I found out about that place years ago because he was on my friend Steven Rinell's podcast. And I was like, "Oh, that guy is so interesting." And so I actually had, I don't know if I had him on my podcast before I ate at his restaurant.

[2:19:37] or after. I don't remember. But then we went to his restaurant during the pandemic when we first moved here. And it was like you had to be spread out. We actually ate outside the first time we did it because we couldn't eat inside yet. [2:19:48] bro and you know you know and i because i love because you know it's great restaurants all of austin and i and i know i know it's gonna be good whenever the staff is generally happy to be there like you go and i do it everyone fucking loves it there especially like if you see old people working there [2:20:06] Yeah, you see somebody that's pushing 50 and they still love and they're happy and gingerly. You know it's going to be good. Yeah, I do. It's sensational. And the thing about them is everything is from Texas. There's nothing in there. You can't even get a Diet Coke in there. [2:20:26] They don't have anything that ain't from Texas. [2:20:28] Mmm. Nothing. So good, too. Yeah. And he always has, like, exotic shit on the menu. Yeah, the menu is always changing, but you can always get those pork chops. [2:20:39] Oh, yes. Pork chops are sensational. [2:20:42] Yeah, everything's sensational. Jesse's like one of the best chefs in the country. I've been there enough times now where I know like anything you order is going to be good. We are spoiled here, bro. Yeah, big time. There's so much good food in Texas and specifically in Austin. At the medium to high level. The fast food is trash. [2:21:02] Seriously, if it's not a Texas fast food place...

[2:21:07] It's such a phenomenon to me. Like, what's trash? Like, everything that's not a Texas place. Like, Dan's is great. Whataburger's great. But, like, Chick-fil-A is not as good. McDonald's is not as good. Chick-fil-A's not as good? Wendy's is terrible. I had Chick-fil-A, like, a month ago. It was amazing. No, it's okay. But it's not up to... It's different? The service is not as good. I mean, Chick-fil-A tastes the same everywhere. You go inside to Chick-fil-A? Yeah, I'm going inside. [2:21:37] You want to eat in your car like a pig, like a disgusting person who hates himself. But Chick-fil-A might be somewhat of an exception, but even In-N-Out, even In-N-Out here is not as good. [2:21:47] Were you telling me that Chick-fil-A has aluminum in it? No. That's probably Kurt Messner. That was Tony, I think. Was Tony? Yeah, it was Tony. Yeah, he was saying Chick-fil-A has aluminum in it or something. What? What does it have in it? What is the controversial ingredient? I think it's the buns or something, but it's aluminum. It's in a lot of stuff. Aluminum what, though? It's not just aluminum. No, no, no, no, no. It's not. It's foil. They grind up foil. No, it's not foil. It makes it thicker. It makes your buns thicker. [2:22:15] Names sound scary. Right, right, right. But it's just something normal. Right, like vitamin C sounds scary. Ascorbic acid, like, oh, no. I think it's sodium aluminum phosphate. [2:22:26] Yeah, is that a preservative? [2:22:29] Man, fuck preservatives. That's what's wrong with us. [2:22:32] Everything is preserving your gut biome. [2:22:35] It's all getting in there, all this... [2:22:36] bacteria. Sodium aluminum phosphate. Yeah, I don't think that's bad.

[2:22:43] But also, [2:22:44] Also, I've probably eaten so much of whatever that is. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's. When you think about, like, food like that, you're just not supposed to eat it every day. That's all it is. [2:22:56] It's really good if you just want to eat it and enjoy it. Like, you ever have canes, those chicken fingers? Yeah, yeah. Those are good. Canes is pretty good. Just don't do it every day. [2:23:06] Just every now and again. But again, even Keynes. [2:23:10] Even Cane's is better in other places. What? Are you a Cane's connoisseur? No, but I've eaten fast food. I've eaten a lot of fast food. I've heard that In-N-Out here is not as good. In-N-Out here is not as good. Wendy's is not as good. Does the In-N-Out here have the same... KFC is bad. Does the In-N-Out here have the same sort of menu or you can get off-menu stuff? No, it's the same everything, except the service sucks and the food is not as... It's just not as consistent. You know what I mean? [2:23:40] Because I've never before been before here. I've never been to it because, you know, like Chick-fil-A and In-N-Out, that's a certain standard. [2:23:47] Especially if you come from L.A. But you said McDonald's, too. Yeah, the McDonald's here is trash. It's a food distribution issue. Is it? Yeah. This happened once when McDonald's actually bought my favorite pizza place from Ohio. [2:23:58] They couldn't expand it, right? Because you couldn't get the same ingredients you get in Ohio and Florida. So you don't like your quality. But doesn't McDonald's send all the ingredients to all their places? But that means you don't have one giant McDonald's farm. You don't? No. It's not how. I mean, we would know where that is. Oh, my God. Imagine the slaughter going on at the McDonald's farm. How many fucking cows are losing their lives? But if I'm going to eat at McDonald's in any city,

[2:24:26] you can find the good McDonald's like you just google the good McDonald's in Detroit but here there aren't any they're all terrible interesting [2:24:36] And so it's a food distribution thing? I'm pretty sure. How are they getting bad beef in Texas? It's not bad beef, but it's just not the same. It's not consistent. It's not the exact same. So the processing might not have the same. Because the thing is, it's not great food. You eat at McDonald's because you know what you're going to get. Right. It tastes just like it does every other time you've had it. But it's not because it's the best. No. So when you settle for McDonald's, right, and you just, you know. You have a standard. Yeah, it's like calling your ex. [2:25:06] It's not as good. You just know it's like it's got to taste like I'm expecting. Got it. You know, but it's just it's just off. Have you ever seen some people argue that restaurants are just who can cook the best Cisco food? [2:25:19] So they're all getting it from the same kind of distributor. Well, I think most of them are. Really? But it's really dwindling it down to the base of like that's not really what everything's happening. Yeah, like I'm pretty sure if you see like Southwest egg rolls, like it's probably a 50% chance that that came from a Cisco freezer. You know that Mexican place you turned me on to went under? I know. That was a bummer. I can't believe it. Boulevard, is that what it's called? No, no, that's not what it's called. Boulevard is a place that's still a place really good. I don't even remember what it was called, man, but it was incredible. It was so good. Yeah. [2:25:49] Maybe I need to look them up. I forget the name of it. I don't know, man. I think they went under. Because they spent a lot of money on that place. Remember the artwork in that place? Yeah. Well, the location was not...

[2:25:59] Because they weren't near any other restaurants. It wasn't terrible, though. It wasn't hard to find. Yeah, but it's still off the path of, like, anywhere. Like, if you had to go over there, there was no other reason to go over there. Right. Unless you lived over there. But you go over there for a restaurant. Yeah. Like, it seemed like they were packed when I was there. That's what was confusing. They were. They were, but... [2:26:15] But towards the end, it started being less and less. That happens, man. People get excited about a new place, and it's popping at first, and then it just sort of dies off. Yeah. But that's the first time I've seen a great restaurant go under. [2:26:30] that I like. I know. And quick. [2:26:33] Yeah, it was probably a year. Yeah, it's a fucking tough business, man. It's a tough business. Yeah, and that was started by a guy that like knew what he was doing. That's how tough it is. Right, don't you know the guy? [2:26:46] I met him. I met him there. [2:26:50] You know what I wish they would bring here is a bizarre meet. [2:26:54] Oh, yeah. I mean, it's probably... [2:26:56] He probably would go to like a bigger city than Austin maybe. Well, he's got one in Chicago. He just opened up one in New York. Oh, really? Yeah, we had the one in Chicago. It was great. Of course. And the new one in Vegas. He's got a new one in Vegas. He moved spots. Oh, okay. To a different casino? Yeah, same deal though. Oh, sensational. It's got to be. Sensational. Off the charts. Oh, bro. And they always look out. Yeah, they're great. Yeah. And Jose Andres came on the podcast, the head chef. Oh, word. He was great. [2:27:23] Such a nice guy, man. That guy, genuine. You want to talk about real charity? That guy genuinely goes to war-torn regions, anywhere there's some sort of a natural disaster, and he brings trucks and they start cooking and they feed people for free. They feed people that level of food. Yes. His food. Yeah. His food. He loves helping people, like genuinely loves helping people and loves cooking for people. Yeah.

[2:27:50] And he went to Poland and was catching the Ukrainian refugees when they were leaving Ukraine. These people were starving. He set up shop and started feeding them. [2:28:00] that's that's how good a guy is yeah and he's a master master chef yeah his restaurants are incredible he came in here he's making food for us while we're doing the podcast how like he had a he had a piece of ham he's cutting off ham and shit and oh he had like that fancy ass ham yeah jamon jamon this thin sliced yeah remember that it comes with like a stand yeah man he gave me a whole leg i took it home with me [2:28:24] Yeah, it'll last forever. Yeah, it'll last forever. It's cured. Yeah. Bro, it's so good. It's so good. Good food's going to be the downfall of me. Yeah, but you can have both. Yeah, you can have both. You just got to have, like, you ever see the Rock's cheat meals? [2:28:37] Yeah. On Sundays, The Rock will have these legendary cheat meals. I don't know if he still does it, but he would post them on Instagram. It's like a stack of pancakes, giant chocolate chip cookies. No, but The Rock shrunk down now like John Cena. [2:28:48] Yeah. Yeah. I think he got too big because he did that movie, the movie about Mark Kerr, the Smashing Machine. Oh. By the way, it didn't get the love it deserves. It's a really good movie. [2:29:02] It's not just an MMA movie. It's a very realistic MMA movie, too. The Rock is Mark Kerr. They even gave him a forehead thing, like a prosthesis, so he looked more like a Neanderthal, like Mark Kerr does. I thought he was going to get a nomination for that. He gained 30 pounds of muscle, wore 22 prosthetics, and trained in an MMA camp to physically transform for his role as Mark Kerr. Look what he looked like.

[2:29:25] Scroll up so you can see what it looks like. [2:29:27] Look what he looked like there. That's Mark. That's the actual Mark, and that's The Rock next to him. But that's The Rock, obviously, playing Mark when he was younger. Oh, is Mark Hurston alive? Yeah, yeah, he did my podcast recently. Oh. [2:29:38] Yeah, man, that Smashing Machine documentary is crazy. I thought The Rock was going to get nominated for that. He should have. [2:29:44] He should have. He did a fantastic job, but nobody watched it. It's one of those just slipped under. If it comes out to streaming, I can't recommend it enough. It's a really good movie. [2:29:55] And it's not... [2:29:55] Just an MMA movie. It's like there's moments in that movie where you get anxiety. Like, oh, my God, don't do that. Jesus Christ, what are you doing? It's one of those movies. It's crazy. But he does a phenomenal job. Phenomenal. He hasn't not been nominated yet. They haven't come out yet. Oh. Okay. Oh. Well, he should be for that. I don't think he will get, you know, it's hard. The Academy and a martial arts movie. And it's like, you know, it's for meatheads. Jimmy, I'm surprised you ain't got no sponsorships with a search app. [2:30:23] What do you mean? [2:30:24] What you mean? You're literally known for looking shit up. Well, they should call me. [2:30:28] Bye. [2:30:28] Holla at your boy. [2:30:31] Let's wrap this bitch up. Let's get it. So tell everybody, name your special, where they can get it. Special is Laugh from Mothership. You can see it right now streaming on Netflix. You can also watch the Don't Tell thing just came out. And you can come see me on tour, brancencomedy.com. And my podcast, BS with Brian Simpson, also on YouTube and all the other streaming platforms. And I will see you in a few hours. We're going to have some fun. Tonight, let's go. All right. Goodbye, everybody.

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